Wake Up America

[chumslicker27]

I'm thinking this article is useless propaganda. If you guys are really buying into the scare tactic that the democrats are trying to take away the right to fish then this article is doing its job. While I greatly respect the power of this board in the atlantic fishing community, I disagree with the posting of this article. Taking away our right to fish? Come on, lets be for real people. There are a lot of other civil liberties that will go first

Wise up, we don't have anything to worry about. The fishing industry is a multi-bazillion dollar a year industry in the US. I highly doubt that its going anywhere. Anyway, if they tried to stop us from fishing, we all know that we would just do it anyway

That "Miss Me Yet" picture made me cringe a little! Lets keep this discussion to fishing, not politics. It will keep us all happier.

Yo SURFBASS,

Pull the bag off your head and look around.. Dont be one of the rest of the SHEEPLES... they make me sick, so stupid and gullible, and then they police the rest of us....
Stupid Americans so wrapped up in the system/machine they dont even question the real AGENDA....
This IS already happening....
Dont take things for face value bro... There is plenty of literature about this available to you... Do some research and then come on back....

[28 Topaz]

SurfBass they just shut down Black Sea Bass

[Captain Michael Buffington]

I'm thinking this article is useless propaganda. If you guys are really buying into the scare tactic that the democrats are trying to take away the right to fish then this article is doing its job. While I greatly respect the power of this board in the atlantic fishing community, I disagree with the posting of this article. Taking away our right to fish? Come on, lets be for real people. There are a lot of other civil liberties that will go first

Wise up, we don't have anything to worry about. The fishing industry is a multi-bazillion dollar a year industry in the US. I highly doubt that its going anywhere. Anyway, if they tried to stop us from fishing, we all know that we would just do it anyway

That "Miss Me Yet" picture made me cringe a little! Lets keep this discussion to fishing, not politics. It will keep us all happier.

it did not stop those idiots from shutting down snapper...Don't be a bloody idiot!

Mike

[Surfbass]

Alright its happening. They are closing small portions of water (8 miles x 3 miles of ocean is absolutely MINI SIZED when compared to the actual sizes of the tracts of water we fish in the ocean). PLEASE someone look outside of the fact that there is government trying to regulate something in our world and look at the big picture. Its all for everyone's own good.

d) Fish and other sea life are a sustainable resource, and
fishing is an important community asset. MPAs and sound fishery management are complementary components of a comprehensive effort to sustain marine habitats and fisheries.
(f) Marine life reserves are an essential element of an MPA system because they protect habitat and ecosystems, conserve biological diversity, provide a sanctuary for fish and other sea life, enhance recreational and educational opportunities, provide a reference point against which scientists can measure changes elsewhere in the marine
environment, and may help rebuild depleted fisheries.
(g) Despite the demonstrated value of marine life reserves, only 14 of the 220,000 square miles of combined state and federal ocean water off California, or six-thousandths of 1 percent, are set aside as genuine no take areas.

There are TONS of examples of regulation with the same exact idea of this working brilliantly around the country. Look at the national park systems.

More specifically...for years they closed portions of Maryland's tidal Potomac river because the largemouth bass were rapidly declining. During the spawing season, certain areas known very well as major spawing territories were closed COMPLETELY to recreational fishing. The result, today the Potomac is quite possibly the best largemouth bass fishery in the country.

This is only ONE example. The examples of regulation like this exist all over the country. The New England Fisheries Crisis comes to mind where the Feds closed huge tracts of historically bountiful fishing grounds for years and let the groundfish come back. Or the Chesapeake Bay where for 10 years you weren't even allowed to look at a striped bass, let alone catch one recreationally without getting a fine. Now its as productive a striper area as anywhere in the world.

Look at the rhetoric in this document. They're closing TINY pieces of water just to see what would happen if we let an area flourish without a bunch of dudes picking every tog off every corner of a wreck, or every gag off of a reef. The ocean is HUGE. In the long run this is going to pay off. Who cares if we can't hit up the community spot now, maybe this will encourage everyone to find new places where the fishin might even be better.

[Captain Michael Buffington]

Alright its happening. They are closing small portions of water (8 miles x 3 miles of ocean is absolutely MINI SIZED when compared to the actual sizes of the tracts of water we fish in the ocean). PLEASE someone look outside of the fact that there is government trying to regulate something in our world and look at the big picture. Its all for everyone's own good.

d) Fish and other sea life are a sustainable resource, and
fishing is an important community asset. MPAs and sound fishery management are complementary components of a comprehensive effort to sustain marine habitats and fisheries.
(f) Marine life reserves are an essential element of an MPA system because they protect habitat and ecosystems, conserve biological diversity, provide a sanctuary for fish and other sea life, enhance recreational and educational opportunities, provide a reference point against which scientists can measure changes elsewhere in the marine
environment, and may help rebuild depleted fisheries.
(g) Despite the demonstrated value of marine life reserves, only 14 of the 220,000 square miles of combined state and federal ocean water off California, or six-thousandths of 1 percent, are set aside as genuine no take areas.

There are TONS of examples of regulation with the same exact idea of this working brilliantly around the country. Look at the national park systems.

More specifically...for years they closed portions of Maryland's tidal Potomac river because the largemouth bass were rapidly declining. During the spawing season, certain areas known very well as major spawing territories were closed COMPLETELY to recreational fishing. The result, today the Potomac is quite possibly the best largemouth bass fishery in the country.

This is only ONE example. The examples of regulation like this exist all over the country. The New England Fisheries Crisis comes to mind where the Feds closed huge tracts of historically bountiful fishing grounds for years and let the groundfish come back. Or the Chesapeake Bay where for 10 years you weren't even allowed to look at a striped bass, let alone catch one recreationally without getting a fine. Now its as productive a striper area as anywhere in the world.

Look at the rhetoric in this document. They're closing TINY pieces of water just to see what would happen if we let an area flourish without a bunch of dudes picking every tog off every corner of a wreck, or every gag off of a reef. The ocean is HUGE. In the long run this is going to pay off. Who cares if we can't hit up the community spot now, maybe this will encourage everyone to find new places where the fishin might even be better.

with the nmfs or any other government agency once you hand it over it is no longer yours Maybe you trust themI for one want the nmfs closed down. They are corrupt IDIOTS who don't give a rip about recs. They need a collective bitchslap and we should have at least a 50% vote in what is done instead of some pencil pushing Iowa dirt farmer with a fish dream or bunny hugging hippi chick that hears mackerel screams in her sleep pulling ideas out their collective bungholes and forcing them down our throats

Mike

[Surfbass]

They need a collective bitchslap and we should have at least a 50% vote in what is done instead of some pencil pushing Iowa dirt farmer with a fish dream or bunny hugging hippi chick that hears mackerel screams in her sleep pulling ideas out their collective bungholes and forcing them down our throats


haha man i defintely can't disagree with that. the NMFS were slightly misguided back in the day because there was a disconnect between the people in the office and the people on the water. but you can't deny the fact that the idea to restore and protect the sustainability of any fish stock was NOT a misguided idea, whether that be an idea in a head of a hippie who ain't never had tuna blood on their hands, or a an opinion voiced by the best charter captain on the coast.

[chumslicker27]

Its just the beginning dude...You think that stuff sounds too far out of whack... Get a load of this......



January 15, 2009

Obama 'Regulatory Czar' has Secret Animal-Rights Agenda, Says Consumer
Group

Cass Sunstein supports outlawing hunting, phasing out meat eating,
giving animals the right to file lawsuits; expert available for
comment Animal Rights: Current Debates and New Directions

Washington, D.C. (Vocus/PRWeb) January 15, 2009 -- The nonprofit
Center for Consumer Freedom said today that Cass Sunstein, the Harvard
University Law School professor tapped by President-elect Obama to
head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, has a secret
aim to push a radical animal-rights agenda in the White House.
Sunstein supports outlawing sport hunting, giving animals the legal
right to file lawsuits, and using government regulations to phase out
meat consumption.

In a 2007 speech at Harvard University, Sunstein argued in favor of
entirely " eliminating current practices such as ? meat eating." He
also proposed: "We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn't a
purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It's
time now."

Sunstein wrote in his 2004 book "Animal Rights: Current Debates and
New Directions" that "animals should be permitted to bring suit, with
human beings as their representatives ? Any animals that are entitled
to bring suit would be represented by (human) counsel, who would owe
guardian-like obligations and make decisions, subject to those
obligations, on their clients' behalf."

The Center for Consumer Freedom's Director of Research, David
Martosko, is available to discuss Cass Sunstein's likely impact on
typical elements of American life that involve the use of animals.
Sunstein's work could spell the end of animal agriculture, retail
sales of meat and dairy foods, hunting and fishing, biomedical
research, pet ownership, zoos and aquariums, traveling circuses, and
countless other things Americans take for granted.

Mr. Martosko said: "Cass Sunstein owes Americans an honest appraisal
of his animal rights agenda as America's top regulator. Americans
don't realize that the next four years could be full of bizarre
initiatives plucked from the wildest dreams of the animal-rights
fringe. Think about every outrageous idea PETA and the Humane Society
of the United States have ever had, and imagine them all having the
force of federal law. This doesn't look good for hunters, ranchers,
restaurateurs, biomedical researchers, or ordinary pet owners."

For an interview with Mr. Martosko about how Cass Sunstein's
appointment will serve the radical animal rights movement's agenda in
the White House, or for more information, contact Sarah Kapenstein at
202-463-7112.

[chumslicker27]

From another board.....

Yes I do miss Bush. As an ultra conservative, I must say that this new guy in the white house even makes me miss 'Slick Willy' Clinton, and that is really depressing. This administration is trying to transform our nation into a socialist country by destroying the economy. Destroying the fisheries industry is just one phase. They are spending more money, and proposing more spending than we'll have in 3 generations. Our national debt is astronomical, most of it held by the communist Chinese, who are NOT our friends.
Obama has already made inroads in controlling the banking, insurance and auto industries, and healthcare and energy are on the horizon. Cass Sunstein wants to eliminate hunting, fishing, eating meat which would destroy the industries associated with them. By destroying industry after industry, it opens up the pathway for the federal government to take them over. When they don't have the money to pay for all their exorbitant projects they will print money and that will lead to hyper inflation.
During the presidential campaign, Obama said "judge me by the people I surround myself with". Just take a look at his 'czars'. I have never seen a more radical group all together at the same time in my 66 years of life. Besides Sunstein, he's got one who wants to control population by limiting the number of children you can have by forced abortion and mandatory sterilization of women during childbirth. Another, who is a homosexual, believes that NAMBLA is ok, is the SCHOOL czar, and will continue the indoctrination of our children in their anti-American agenda. MMM MMM MMM, Barak Houssein Obama. They have already revised the text books to make the USA look bad. There are 34 czars. Check them out for yourself.
This fishing thing is only the tip of the iceberg, hopefully it will open the eyes of those who still think Obama is this country's savior. God bless America and keep her safe from these radicals.

[Surfbass]

you all can keep taking days off your life worry about this stuff which people have been worrying about for decades. I remember when the radical right wing wackos were saying the same stuff about Clinton.

worry away guys. you are wasting your time. in the meantime while you guys are sweating this one out, I'll be in my treestand waiting for a buck to come within 40 yards for my matthews or out in poorman's teasing up a white

[Ozimo2]

you all can keep taking days off your life worry about this stuff which people have been worrying about for decades. I remember when the radical right wing wackos were saying the same stuff about Clinton.

worry away guys. you are wasting your time. in the meantime while you guys are sweating this one out, I'll be in my treestand waiting for a buck to come within 40 yards for my matthews or out in poorman's teasing up a white

Oh, no those days are nearly gone - the enviro wackos have just about finished putting hunters off their stands and out of the National Forests. Or maybe you just ignored the little signs on the logging roads - that now say "keep out". It was during Clinton Admin when all this happened. Ole Al Gore sided with the wackos and their friends inside the beltway at Sierra Club got it passed, before anyone realized it. The fishermen, kayakers, backpackers, atv riders and skiers are next. They don't want anyone in the forests or on BLM. They want you where they can control you - and that's in the cities. That's a fact Jack!