What do you guys think the most important thing is to get right, when rigging a bait that really has a good paddling action with the tail? I've seen baits rigged, that look great, but really don't have that paddling/swimming action to them when pulled.
Make it a split bill. We make sure the bait is really limber and second we use monel or copper to wrap the bill and chin weight. We make extra wraps in front of the mono where the bill is split. Then take a pair of pliers and gently squeeze the wraps of monel or copper that are in front of the mono. . Dont squeeze so hard it breaks the bill but enough to make a flat surface like a duck s bill. They will really swim.
Last edited by offshore; 05-23-2011 at 12:16 PM.
"TinaLouise"
SOMEWHERE ON THE WATER IN NC !!
If you are ever get the chance to snorkel and watch ballyhoo swim, you'll notice that the tail moves and the front half stays still....
Make your bait swim from the tail...
"There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot." --STEVEN WRIGHT
Originally Posted by clt_capt
Exactly! The man knows what he's talking about. Sometimes we make the baits too limber. Bait fish don't swim like that. They look like darts shooting through the water. That's why cedar plugs work so well on tuna.
The cedar plugs we use dart all over the place they dont swim in a straight line?
"TinaLouise"
SOMEWHERE ON THE WATER IN NC !!
Circle hook rigs swim much better than splitbills. It's important to break their backs.
Bert
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The faster a baitfish swims, the straighter his body stays while the prop, his tail, moves fast. Check out a marlin hauling booty and you'll see the very same thing. The more a bait body swims, or wiggles, the more water pressure is exerted on it, so the slower it swims. That is simple physics, or hydrodyamics, if you will. I've watched plenty of different fish species swim both underwater and from my tower and you can see this phenomenon with every really fast fish or bait that comes in. I believe that is one of the reasons why lures with little to no action, like many jets and feathers, catch plenty of fish...they immitate fast swimming bait very well.
I've used cedar plugs for many decades and at least from what I've seen, they are not a primo high speed lure. They dart around too much and if you troll them too fast they tend to either spin underwater and up top. To me cedar plugs are primarily squid immitations and that darting action of theirs is very much like that of squid. Thus, their effectiveness, what with squid being such a widespread popular prey species...especially for tunas. Of course, squid are capable of remarkably high swimming speeds, which is why we had a natural cedar plug hollow squid made for use on our SuperBars. The hollow squids run great regardless of speed.
When it comes to ballyhoo, I have always preferred the ones with that wild tail wiggle and essentially a straight forward portion. As I have noted many times before, I came to prefer hollow squids (our ProSquid type) that mimic ballyhoo so well, but require a lot less cost, time, and hassle compared to the real thing. I see lately that some here have discovered all of the advantages of these squids versus messing with real dead stuff. Doing this saved us a lot of money and time and caught us a lot of fish not too many years ago. What with fuel costs being what they are anymore, I'd probably never have a real ballyhoo on the boat again, unless I caught it or it jumped aboard, like fliers sometimes do. Yes, the difference in cost and hassles is that big and the hollows caught great for us. Do the math and you should see the huge cost difference. Fish the right hollows the right ways and compare what you catch to what you used to on meat. Might prove very interesting indeed, but you'll never know unless you try!
Last edited by Captain Fred Archer; 05-23-2011 at 06:50 PM.
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Fred of, www.archersuperbars.com, give us a break.........a hollow squid and a natural ballyhoo........please man..there is no connection..someone please pull the soapbox out from under this noise. I respect you, but your killing us with this stuff. There is a time for it....naturals rule you know that..don't preach cheap. Guy's want to catch fish, when they are spending to run...a few bally's rigged right can make the difference between zero and hero.......you know that........OH and P.S. we dont' sell bait...........Come On' Man the gentleman asked about swimming ballyhoo not some BS about your Pro Squids.....either ad to the conversation or don't post. All you did was spin it around to make people think ballyhoo are expensive and suck ..which is way wrong.
You don't like what I got to say then ...fallyhoo off...nice panties
Last edited by canyongear; 05-23-2011 at 09:39 PM.
Cayongear, you couldn't have said it any better!!!! There always seems to be a selling pitch in any of his posts. Talk about an old recording.
When meat fishing I always have a superbar behind the boat. Thay certainly do work and I love them. Easy to handle too. But I'm also not ready to give up on ballyhoo. It all has it's place. You need a variety of weapons at your disposal in order to be successful at this gig...........One way......the highway. Superbars are one of those weapons and I use them regularly. They swim right along side my ballyhoos, and many other plastics that find there way overboard depending on my disposition at the time. I will say though, a poorly rigged bally is about as affective as dragging a brick. I don't like to see that bally wiggling through the water. Thay don't swim like that. The muscles they use to move water over their bodies are very subtle. They create a series of very quick vibrations down their bodoes that move water over there bodies and propels them forward. One very quick vibration down his body and he is adios out of there like a shot. The only thing that looks like it moves at all is the forlk of the tail, and it's more like a flutter. Get your bally to swim like that.
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