Owner Circle Hook Issues

[OffTheHookB&T]

Jbones, the experiment that I am conducting would not be effected by stream water or bay water, it could be slightly skewed by the level of salinity but IMHO I don't think the difference would be signifgant. I am by no means an expert in this field, but it pops up alot in the marine field. The reatcion of dissimilar metals( or galvanic corrosion) is what makes zincs work on your boat and alos the principle by which battery operate. Basically,it works like this : when two dissimilar metals are in contact in saltwater a charge is created and the more reactive metal corrodes quicker while the less reactive corrodes slower. So, far I have seen no change in the hooks. But, I was discussing this with some captains and mates at the shop and another issue was brought up. When using the swivel method, the barb could have been damaged during rigging or the way the hook is being pulled could have caused abrasion either exposing bare metal allowing for corrosion. Maybe a fourth hook experiment. We'll see, I'll be very interested to see what conclusions Owner comes up with.

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by OffTheHookB&T

Jbones, the experiment that I am conducting would not be effected by stream water or bay water, it could be slightly skewed by the level of salinity but IMHO I don't think the difference would be signifgant. I am by no means an expert in this field, but it pops up alot in the marine field. The reatcion of dissimilar metals( or galvanic corrosion) is what makes zincs work on your boat and alos the principle by which battery operate. Basically,it works like this : when two dissimilar metals are in contact in saltwater a charge is created and the more reactive metal corrodes quicker while the less reactive corrodes slower. So, far I have seen no change in the hooks. But, I was discussing this with some captains and mates at the shop and another issue was brought up. When using the swivel method, the barb could have been damaged during rigging or the way the hook is being pulled could have caused abrasion either exposing bare metal allowing for corrosion. Maybe a fourth hook experiment. We'll see, I'll be very interested to see what conclusions Owner comes up with.

Chuck, motion in the water will create more of a charge, but I don't dissimilar metal is the problem. The swivel is constantly moving likley causing significant wear in the hook's metal. We used to use the swivel / head method as late as the beginning of this season, but have found that the floss method is quicker, easier, and they just plain out & out swim better. JMHO.

[Captain Brian]

Thanks Tony!!!!!

[frankypettolina]

I have been meaning to jump in on this one. I whole heartedly believe that the dissimilar metals IN CONTACT with one another is the issue here.

I will be emailing David Rifkin who is an electrical genius for his input, but here are my thoughts.

I fish my nakeds either with the swivel or copper wire connection. I am fishing monel bridled chuggers and sea witches on other baits. Guess what- only the swivel or copper ones are losing the finish and rusting. Eventually losing integrity. I have seen this with owner, eagle claw, and vmc hooks. The baits I am bridling on mono, which is shieding/insualting the dissimilar metals from contact, leave the hooks looking like new.

I believe there is a galvanic action going on here, but when I hear from Mr. Rifkin, I will let you know.

[OffTheHookB&T]

Latest results from the experiment, all cups had some some rust stains coming from the hook. I would rank the amount of rust clouding the water from worst to best. The worst is definetly the monel rig, second is the swivel and third is bare hook. When I took them out of the water, the only one with signifigant damage was the one with monel, it the tip and barb are completly dull! So far, I'm leaning to galvanic corrosion being a major factor in this hook issue.

[Russell A. Jost]

Originally Posted by OffTheHookB&T

Latest results from the experiment, all cups had some some rust stains coming from the hook. I would rank the amount of rust clouding the water from worst to best. The worst is definetly the monel rig, second is the swivel and third is bare hook. When I took them out of the water, the only one with signifigant damage was the one with monel, it the tip and barb are completly dull! So far, I'm leaning to galvanic corrosion being a major factor in this hook issue.

Chuck, I have to agree with your galvanic corrosion theory. Any two dissimular metals in a solution like sea water creates a natural battery effect or gal. cor. What surprises me is how fast the deteriation is taking effect

[whitey]

Originally Posted by OffTheHookB&T

Latest results from the experiment, all cups had some some rust stains coming from the hook. I would rank the amount of rust clouding the water from worst to best. The worst is definetly the monel rig, second is the swivel and third is bare hook. When I took them out of the water, the only one with signifigant damage was the one with monel, it the tip and barb are completly dull! So far, I'm leaning to galvanic corrosion being a major factor in this hook issue.

Thanks Chuck!! When we fish on Saturday im gonna try the Owner hooks with the floss rig and see if the hooks stay intact.

[Cowboy]

I would need to do some checking on these as far as hardness, I am a commercial heat treater and another item that may enter into this situation is Hydrogen Embrittlement it occurs during plating of hardened metals. I assume these hooks are hardened so any electrolyses or chemical treatment could cause embrittlement and would show up first on the smallest area (tips and barbs) I have heard of this problem with fotthold trap springs when used in brackish water and becoming brittle.

[Finesse]

Chuck
Are you testing any other brands alongside the Owners ?

[OffTheHookB&T]

Originally Posted by Finesse

Chuck
Are you testing any other brands alongside the Owners ?

Not yet. I'll probably start another batch, now that we have an idea of the problem, I would like to see how the other brands hold up.