Owner Circle Hook Issues - Page 5

Fritz · 08-13-2008, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitey

Chuck, Ours were rigged with swivels and the Baithead rigs were a mono bridle crimped to the hook and we were having problems with both of them.

you got a bad batch of steel? We have used them exclusively and have not had a problem. We use monel rigged, bridled baithead, and floss rigged. I must admit; however, we trash our hooks and leader at the end of the day.

whitey · 08-13-2008, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fritz

you got a bad batch of steel? We have used them exclusively and have not had a problem. We use monel rigged, bridled baithead, and floss rigged. I must admit; however, we trash our hooks and leader at the end of the day.

It is possable that they had a bad batch but the hooks were bought from 2 stores in differant states and they all had the same problem.

Fritz · 08-13-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitey

It is possable that they had a bad batch but the hooks were bought from 2 stores in differant states and they all had the same problem.

I will paying close attention. We plan on prefishing this Saturday. I will let you know.

tony009 · 08-13-2008, 08:37 PM

Capt Brian recently contacted me about this thread. To date I have never heard of any barb issues regarding our SSW Circle Hooks but after reading the thread it sounds like this is more than just one or two incidents. Without getting more info it is hard to say exactly what the problem is but I suspect it may stem from a finish problem under the barb. We have run extensive corrosion tests... saltwater hooks, freshwater hooks, saltwater, freshwater etc. All carbon steel hooks corrode eventually, it’s just a matter of how long... but one thing we have noticed is that corrosion generally begins around the barb and the points of hooks. Under the barb in particular because this is the most difficult part to apply finish. I am guessing at this point that we may have had a bad batch of hooks where there may have been poor finishing under the barb, thus barbs coming off. I would like to get some samples of these "barbless" hooks if any of you have them. Also, we place a lot number on the back of every pack. If I could get this info it would help us trace back the manufacturing origins. I would bet that most of your hooks came from very similar batch/batches. I will stay on top of this until we get an answer. Post back questions or email me at tony@ownerhooks.com

Tony
Owner Hooks

Fritz · 08-13-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony009

Capt Brian recently contacted me about this thread. To date I have never heard of any barb issues regarding our SSW Circle Hooks but after reading the thread it sounds like this is more than just one or two incidents. Without getting more info it is hard to say exactly what the problem is but I suspect it may stem from a finish problem under the barb. We have run extensive corrosion tests... saltwater hooks, freshwater hooks, saltwater, freshwater etc. All carbon steel hooks corrode eventually, it’s just a matter of how long... but one thing we have noticed is that corrosion generally begins around the barb and the points of hooks. Under the barb in particular because this is the most difficult part to apply finish. I am guessing at this point that we may have had a bad batch of hooks where there may have been poor finishing under the barb, thus barbs coming off. I would like to get some samples of these "barbless" hooks if any of you have them. Also, we place a lot number on the back of every pack. If I could get this info it would help us trace back the manufacturing origins. I would bet that most of your hooks came from very similar batch/batches. I will stay on top of this until we get an answer. Post back questions or email me at tony@ownerhooks.com

Tony
Owner Hooks

Now that's customer service!!!!!!

whitey · 08-13-2008, 08:45 PM

Tony, thanks for the response. Please give me an address where I can send you some of the hooks in question. I don't think I have the packages but if you want I can PM you the stores that I bought them from and maybe you can look back in your shipping records to track down the bad batch of hooks.

tony009 · 08-13-2008, 08:50 PM

Here's the address:

Owner American Corporation
Attn: Tony
3199-B Airport Loop Drive
Costa Mesa, CA 92626

TROPHY SPORTFISHING · 08-13-2008, 10:00 PM

Andy mine were bought at Finest kind in Fl and EJW's in MHC NC.

Ultralite · 08-13-2008, 10:37 PM

Same issue here. I live in Fullerton, CA. Was trying out Owner Circles at the East Cape about 5 years ago. Had live mackerel on the drop back rig in the bait tank. Baits had been on the hook in the tank for about 3 hours. Dropped it back to a stripey in the spread and came tight on it, but no hook up. WTF???? Same thing happened again on a drop back to a sailfish. WTF??????????? Close inspection revealed the point had broken off each hook. Basically I was using hooks which ended up with squared off, blunt points that wouldn't penetrate through anything more than jello. I quickly re-rigged with the tried and true Mustad live bait J-hooks and it was game back on. After that experience, it's been a struggle to go back to circle hooks.

jbones11 · 08-14-2008, 08:35 AM

We had the 7/0 and 8/0 SSW rigged up with a straight connect to 20# monel. Def no damage occurred while trying to fit the barb of the hook into a swivel because we don't use that method. If it helps we brought them at Hinches about 3-4 weeks ago. This isn't a specific Hinches problem, by any means, they had no clue what they were selling in the package. Let me check my bags and see if I possibly have any of these hooks left that I can send you that never touched the water. One other note if it matters on the hook appearance is they all had a "redish tint" to the hook from the shank down. If I have them I will get them to you.

Chuck on your experiment I am not sure if you are going to be able to duplicate the same scenario. We were fishing in 81-82 degree gulf stream gin clear water in the Wilmington on a scum line. You are dunking those hooks in bay mud.

08-13-2008, 08:37 PM	#44
tony009 #1 Lurker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3 Credits: 1,204.9	Owner Circle Hooks Capt Brian recently contacted me about this thread. To date I have never heard of any barb issues regarding our SSW Circle Hooks but after reading the thread it sounds like this is more than just one or two incidents. Without getting more info it is hard to say exactly what the problem is but I suspect it may stem from a finish problem under the barb. We have run extensive corrosion tests... saltwater hooks, freshwater hooks, saltwater, freshwater etc. All carbon steel hooks corrode eventually, it’s just a matter of how long... but one thing we have noticed is that corrosion generally begins around the barb and the points of hooks. Under the barb in particular because this is the most difficult part to apply finish. I am guessing at this point that we may have had a bad batch of hooks where there may have been poor finishing under the barb, thus barbs coming off. I would like to get some samples of these "barbless" hooks if any of you have them. Also, we place a lot number on the back of every pack. If I could get this info it would help us trace back the manufacturing origins. I would bet that most of your hooks came from very similar batch/batches. I will stay on top of this until we get an answer. Post back questions or email me at tony@ownerhooks.com Tony Owner Hooks

08-13-2008, 08:50 PM	#47
tony009 #1 Lurker Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3 Credits: 1,204.9	Owner Hooks Here's the address: Owner American Corporation Attn: Tony 3199-B Airport Loop Drive Costa Mesa, CA 92626

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08-13-2008, 08:45 PM	#46
whitey Deep C is my idol. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 3,351 Credits: 19,946.7 Boat: 48' Ocean Yacht Home Port: Cape May, NJ Occupation: mechanic, Wholesale sales for Stalker Outfitters	Tony, thanks for the response. Please give me an address where I can send you some of the hooks in question. I don't think I have the packages but if you want I can PM you the stores that I bought them from and maybe you can look back in your shipping records to track down the bad batch of hooks.

08-13-2008, 10:00 PM	#48
TROPHY SPORTFISHING I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Myrtle Grove Sound, N.C. Posts: 1,177 Credits: 2,189.8 Boat: 46 Egg Harbor/ 198 carolina skiff DLV Home Port: Wrightsville Beach/ MHC N.C. Best Catch: 3 Blue Marlin and a Sailfish one day out of MHC and 750+ Blue 17 Whites out of Pirates Cove Occupation: Paying for my habit	Andy mine were bought at Finest kind in Fl and EJW's in MHC NC.

08-13-2008, 10:37 PM	#49
Ultralite Anthony's Ark is a blowboater Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 298 Credits: 2,170.9	Same issue here. I live in Fullerton, CA. Was trying out Owner Circles at the East Cape about 5 years ago. Had live mackerel on the drop back rig in the bait tank. Baits had been on the hook in the tank for about 3 hours. Dropped it back to a stripey in the spread and came tight on it, but no hook up. WTF???? Same thing happened again on a drop back to a sailfish. WTF??????????? Close inspection revealed the point had broken off each hook. Basically I was using hooks which ended up with squared off, blunt points that wouldn't penetrate through anything more than jello. I quickly re-rigged with the tried and true Mustad live bait J-hooks and it was game back on. After that experience, it's been a struggle to go back to circle hooks.

08-14-2008, 08:35 AM	#50
jbones11 I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 1,030 Credits: 7,139.9 Boat: Im a boat whore Home Port: Cape May Best Catch: 3 fish on one hook Occupation: Its hard and shiney	We had the 7/0 and 8/0 SSW rigged up with a straight connect to 20# monel. Def no damage occurred while trying to fit the barb of the hook into a swivel because we don't use that method. If it helps we brought them at Hinches about 3-4 weeks ago. This isn't a specific Hinches problem, by any means, they had no clue what they were selling in the package. Let me check my bags and see if I possibly have any of these hooks left that I can send you that never touched the water. One other note if it matters on the hook appearance is they all had a "redish tint" to the hook from the shank down. If I have them I will get them to you. Chuck on your experiment I am not sure if you are going to be able to duplicate the same scenario. We were fishing in 81-82 degree gulf stream gin clear water in the Wilmington on a scum line. You are dunking those hooks in bay mud.