Marlin - Release or Kill.... Let's Hear It!! - Page 4

Capt.Mick · 10-25-2005, 02:37 PM

Release, Except for $$$,$$$,$$$ tournaments

TommyTuna · 10-25-2005, 02:43 PM

WBA dues due - just paypal'd them

WAHOONBOX · 10-26-2005, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbones11

If its a tourney and I have a shot at some real money, like the million in the MA500 or WMopen I would stick my grandmom if she was a qualifying WM or BM. If its big and I can get it in the boat someone better put that dart right in her. If its not a tournament I would release the rest so someone else could have a shot at experiencing the thrill and rush. I would eat Marlin for a month if I had to kill one.

I WOKE UP @ 3:53AM TODAY STILL LAUGHING IN MY SLEEP

WAHOONBOX · 10-26-2005, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swancaller

Marty wrote:

THEY, THE NAVY, MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND SHUT DOWN OUR ENTIRE ECONOMY ....THEY DAM SURE SHUT DOWN THE BIG ROCK TOURNY A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE SPANISH ARMADA , BRITISH AND WHOMEVER'S WARSHIPS AND SUBMARINES THEY COULD GATHER ! PING PING PING! SUBS POPING UP TO THE LEFT AND TO DA RIGHT...UNREAL.....

That is the price you must pay in order to enjoy the freedom to fish in this country. remember if it wasnt for the military you wouldnt have a place to fish!! those type of exercises are set up over a year in advance before any tourney dates are set. If the tourney directors were smart they would consult the military prior to setting a date to help ensure this doesnt happen again. When there are non military boats in the operating area it really puts a dampner on what they can and cant do. If you were the poor bastard on watch trying to keep up with all the traffic on the water you would understand they dont want to be any where near the charter fleet. You should not bash the military instead fly a flag and salute the ships that you pass.

WELL I'LL TRY TO BE A BIT SYMPATHETIC TO MY FRIEND SWAM......FOR I KNOW HOW HE MAKES HIS LIVING...NAVY........BUT ON THE SAME TOKEN...I MAKE MY LIVING ON THE WATER ALSO AND HAVE FOR 30 YEARS SINCE DOING 4 YEARS USCG...

I DO WAVE THE FLAG.....I DO WRITE LETTERS TO MILITARY FRIENDS....NOTICE I SAID WRITE....THATS LETTERS AND NOT EMAIL THAT I PUT A U.S. STAMP ON......

I WOULD RATHER HOPE THAT THE MILTARY (NAVY) WOULD REALIZE THAT WE (REC AND CHARTER BOATS) ARE NOT THE ENEMY ......AND DON'T GO TELL ME THEY DIDN'T KNOWTHAT 400 TOURNAMENT BOATS WOULD BE OUT THERE......HELL THATS THE REASON THEY WERE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE....TRAINING MAN TRAINING!!!

NOW SWAN....WHILE ALL THIS WAS GOING ON (NAVAL EXERCISES) , DID IT HENDER YOU SIR FROM MAKING YOUR PAY...YOUR SALRY? I THINK NOT......BUT IT DANG SURE HENDERED ME......AS AN AMERICAN , I HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOCE MY OPINION.....AND AS AN AMERICAN I SERVED MY COUNTRY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO

7 YEARS AGO DURING A JOINT BRITISH-NATO-U.S. NAVAL OPERATION......THE NAVY SAT A GUNSHIP SIDEWAYS BETWEEN MY RIGGERS AT POINT BLANK RANGE

AND ORDERED ME TO LEAVE THE BIG ROCK AREA I WAS FISHING............WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE THE TIME TO CALL ME , AS YOU SAY, AND INFORM ME THAT THEY WANTED TO HOLD MANEUVERS IN MY OFFICE!!!???

IN HONOR OF MY FLAG ...MY COUNTRY...AND THE ARMED FORCES.......
CRANK IT UP:...................

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TommyTuna · 10-26-2005, 03:51 PM

the "military" does it up here off Chincoteague occasionally - is it really that tough to move 20 miles further offshore for them out beyond a 1000 fathoms? Seriously

Capt-D · 10-26-2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyTuna

the "military" does it up here off Chincoteague occasionally - is it really that tough to move 20 miles further offshore for them out beyond a 1000 fathoms? Seriously

You gotta just love those missile launches outta wallops!

-D

swancaller · 10-27-2005, 10:27 AM

Tommy it is a distance thing. If the drone gets to far from the base it wont make it back. They are multi million dollar drones! If the drone goes down and is not destroyed they have to retreive it. I hope this sheds some light on why they do what they do.

swancaller · 10-27-2005, 10:27 AM

I understand where you are coming. the reason the ship came along side of you is because there was a live fire exercise going on. Unfortunately that some of the best fishing areas are located in the operating areas. Normally they would move farther offshore to avoid the fleet but when the drones are taking off from Damneck Va there are limited on their range as far a fuel goes. What they do is send a drone (unmanned) at a ship to test their ability to detect and destroy an incoming missle or aircraft. the big rock area to hatteras canyon happens to be the best place to do this. they want to try and save as many of the multi million dollar drones as they can. The reason the navy doesnt call you directly is they dont know where you are going to fish every day and they dont know if you are going to be in the area that day. The Navy knows where they will be at. If they tourneyment committy just made one or two phone calls they could help avoid this from happening again. Those areas are listed on charts and I know that everyone fishes in them anyway. I am not questioning you patriotism. Just posting that the military you were bashing is the same one that allows everyone to fish how they want to in this country.Yes they knew you were in the area they have an unbelievable radar system. I am sure they tried to raise you on 16 before they got as close as they could. They photo everything within photo range for identification reasons. Just in case they have an issue with a charter boat. they take pictures of all vessels. They were not there just to ruin the tourney though! they are training but I wish you could see what all goes into a live missle fire. I know you dont want to have the missle target you and not the drone. I have been on the bridge many times during our encounter with a charter boat and believe me when I say they want to avoid the fleet at all cost. They came along side of you for safety reasons. Most of the captains on the ships are fisherman too and they do understand you are just like them making a living on the water. I am not poking you in the eye Marty but hope that I might enlighten you and others as to why they the military comes along side of you and tell you must leave the area.

Sterling · 10-27-2005, 12:00 PM

THE ONLY TIME A MARLIN SHOULD BE KILLED IS IF IT IS A QUALIFYING FISH IN A TOURNAMENT. If the populations were different, I would feel different, but they are not. Give even a questionable green light to do anything else and this species, and our right to fish them is done. If everyone kept just their first one, it would be done and over. This is not a question for mainland US fishermen.

The integrity of sportfishermen releasing all of these fish outside of tournaments is saving both the fish and our right to kill a limited number. Lose that integrity, and the game is over...this generation. If you think the 100 marlin recreationals land nationally is too many, then go join PETA and try to end to all fishing.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE MONEY. By limiting the kill to tournaments, the number killed is so small there is not an impact on the population and it gives all billfishermen a limited window to fish competetively for the kill. It gives a fair playing field for the limited numbers landed by recreational.

If we start killing outside the tournament it just doesn't work. Of the 9,000 boats fishing off-shore, all it would take is a 1% to be selfish bastards that feel they have the right to the kill marlin anytime, and it would be over. KEEP IT IN THE TOURNAMENTS or it will not be.

While release only works for the small tournaments,
MAKE THE MAJOR TOURNAMENTS RELEASE ONLY AND THEY WILL NOT BE. When fishing a kill tournament, every boat has a chance to win. And every boat has a chance to make what may, for the many coming into the sport, be a once in a lifetime kill of a marlin. Major release tournaments don't offer either of these. While we all want to feel we could compete, most of us (me at least) can not compete with professional teams in a multi-day release event. So instead of tournaments being a major event for us all, they would get knocked down to a small number of boats and we'd watch it on ESPN2. In addition, since tournaments are the only fair way I can think of that allows a marlin kill, without tournaments the kill would be left only to the selfish, or by lottery, or not at all.

In summary, if we keep it in the tournaments we are killing such a small number of fish that we are not impacting the species; We are allowing a limited opportunity to take a marlin; We are keeping great traditions and great events alive. If we make it acceptable to kill one anytime the population will not support it. Yeah, there's other big issues out there that we do need to address, but we also need to keep our house in order on what's acceptable, and what is not, when it comes to killing a marlin.

Fishin Fool · 10-29-2005, 07:13 PM

THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES, I WANTED TO SEE WHO THOUGHT WHAT IN REGARDS TO KILLING A MARLIN..

My Opinion:
I prefer to have all billfish released if at all possible. I know there are kill tournaments and big money is at stake.

I hate to see a big marlin butchered and killed just to hang it up for a photo op, especially a small one.

If I were fishing a big money tournament I would be tempted to bring a monster in for the money, if it were close to the weight limitation, I would definitely let it go.

I realize the biggest threat to marlin are the longliners, not the recreational fishermen.

OT:
We have a strong military presence off Va. where I live and from time to time they are having exercises (unanounced) and make us move on, I will do so without complaining, our freedom is protected by our military.

10-25-2005, 02:43 PM	#32
TommyTuna Stop staring at my Avatar. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Abingdon, MD Posts: 430 Credits: 1,353.0 Occupation: as little as possible	Marty, thanks for reminding me WBA dues due - just paypal'd them __________________ small boat maggot

10-26-2005, 03:51 PM	#35
TommyTuna Stop staring at my Avatar. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Abingdon, MD Posts: 430 Credits: 1,353.0 Occupation: as little as possible	the "military" does it up here off Chincoteague occasionally - is it really that tough to move 20 miles further offshore for them out beyond a 1000 fathoms? Seriously __________________ small boat maggot

10-27-2005, 12:00 PM	#39
Sterling I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cape May Posts: 1,026 Credits: 1,664.3 Boat: Tiara 3100 Home Port: Cape May, NJ Best Catch: Always looking for it Occupation: IT Management Consulting, IT Infrastructure Services, Internet	THE ONLY TIME A MARLIN SHOULD BE KILLED IS IF IT IS A QUALIFYING FISH IN A TOURNAMENT. If the populations were different, I would feel different, but they are not. Give even a questionable green light to do anything else and this species, and our right to fish them is done. If everyone kept just their first one, it would be done and over. This is not a question for mainland US fishermen. The integrity of sportfishermen releasing all of these fish outside of tournaments is saving both the fish and our right to kill a limited number. Lose that integrity, and the game is over...this generation. If you think the 100 marlin recreationals land nationally is too many, then go join PETA and try to end to all fishing. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE MONEY. By limiting the kill to tournaments, the number killed is so small there is not an impact on the population and it gives all billfishermen a limited window to fish competetively for the kill. It gives a fair playing field for the limited numbers landed by recreational. If we start killing outside the tournament it just doesn't work. Of the 9,000 boats fishing off-shore, all it would take is a 1% to be selfish bastards that feel they have the right to the kill marlin anytime, and it would be over. KEEP IT IN THE TOURNAMENTS or it will not be. While release only works for the small tournaments, MAKE THE MAJOR TOURNAMENTS RELEASE ONLY AND THEY WILL NOT BE. When fishing a kill tournament, every boat has a chance to win. And every boat has a chance to make what may, for the many coming into the sport, be a once in a lifetime kill of a marlin. Major release tournaments don't offer either of these. While we all want to feel we could compete, most of us (me at least) can not compete with professional teams in a multi-day release event. So instead of tournaments being a major event for us all, they would get knocked down to a small number of boats and we'd watch it on ESPN2. In addition, since tournaments are the only fair way I can think of that allows a marlin kill, without tournaments the kill would be left only to the selfish, or by lottery, or not at all. In summary, if we keep it in the tournaments we are killing such a small number of fish that we are not impacting the species; We are allowing a limited opportunity to take a marlin; We are keeping great traditions and great events alive. If we make it acceptable to kill one anytime the population will not support it. Yeah, there's other big issues out there that we do need to address, but we also need to keep our house in order on what's acceptable, and what is not, when it comes to killing a marlin. __________________ STERLING II, CAPE MAY, NJ Membership Director, Cape May Marlin and Tuna Club When I'm not fishing, IT Evolution, IT Consulting & Support

10-29-2005, 07:13 PM	#40
Fishin Fool Crab mustard is good Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Norfolk, Va. Posts: 786 Credits: 1,404.9	THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES, I WANTED TO SEE WHO THOUGHT WHAT IN REGARDS TO KILLING A MARLIN.. My Opinion: I prefer to have all billfish released if at all possible. I know there are kill tournaments and big money is at stake. I hate to see a big marlin butchered and killed just to hang it up for a photo op, especially a small one. If I were fishing a big money tournament I would be tempted to bring a monster in for the money, if it were close to the weight limitation, I would definitely let it go. I realize the biggest threat to marlin are the longliners, not the recreational fishermen. OT: We have a strong military presence off Va. where I live and from time to time they are having exercises (unanounced) and make us move on, I will do so without complaining, our freedom is protected by our military. __________________ Fishin Fool - Lucian 31' Contender FA Last edited by Fishin Fool; 10-29-2005 at 07:57 PM.

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10-27-2005, 10:27 AM	#37
swancaller Anthony's Ark is a blowboater Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 271 Credits: 435.8	Tommy it is a distance thing. If the drone gets to far from the base it wont make it back. They are multi million dollar drones! If the drone goes down and is not destroyed they have to retreive it. I hope this sheds some light on why they do what they do.