How do you feel about IGFA Rules?

[GALAZIO]

I hear what you are saying but does Tiger need to rely on his caddy to do the right thing and win him a check. Those of us that have paying charters on board during tournaments look to us to help in the areas they are weak but truth be told some of them are too busy trying to stand up then listen to instructions about the proper drop back.

Tiger's caddy, Steve? Nah, he isn't going to cost him a tournament, hell he has the second highest paying job in golf behind Tiger. I do know that MANY TIMES a caddy can cost you shots which = Dollars. Lay a bag down while raking a trap and a competitor skulls one across the green and the ball strikes the bag while he is in the bunker... what happens?

Walking through US Open type rough looking for a competitors teeshot when all the sudden you caddy jumps up after stepping on something hard and says "here it is"... What Happens?

(those two I have first hand experience with)

Ask Ian Woosnam what his caddy costs him when he left a club in the bag from the driving range the night before... and didn't realize it until they were half way through the round durin the Open Championship (and was at the top of the leaderboard)... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/...snam-gaffe.htm

Or better yet when the caddy shows up late by one minute to the tee: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/1474386.stm

I can continue... SHIT HAPPENS, that is why you need rules.

[tunakiller 4 hire]

I have been found out I dont know s**t about golf but I have fished enough kill tournaments to know that the majority of your crews are once a year fishermen that like to come and compete for the big money once a year and as seament said could'nt hook there ass if there life depended on it.Without there money the tournament would be more for bragging rights than a big check.

[Deep C]

...I could not disagree more. By your way of thinking, you can hand everybody a couple of dozen ballyhoo and all the boats would have similar results on any given day and that is just not the case. Looking at it from your neck of the wood, how is that guys like Scott Fawcett [last name spelling], who runs the boat for The Finest Kind, consistentely is in the winner's circle for all those sailfish trolling tournaments. Those guys in those tournaments pull dead circle hooked bait almost exclusively. Sorry, but I think you are oversimplifying dead bait fishing more than just a little bit. Don't you agree.

Jungle rules. No thanks! Its a sport right and sports are governed by a set of rules for a reason. BTW- I don't think you should be allowed to pass the rod either. If you are in a boxing match, do you get to pick a substitute? If you play golf, are you permitted to have someone else put it on the green for you?

Rules help raise the bar of competence and help give the fish a sporting chance. Isn't that the point of calling Sportfishing?

Scott has the local knowledge thing and a couple secret tricks that keeps him on top. Having a hot fish raising boat doesn't hurt either. In his events they do allow teasers so that also seperates the masses when it comes to sails and dead bait... Boxing and golf aren't really team sports. In football the quarter back doesn't run end to end in most cases. Usually its a pass or hand off...
Some rules are ok but others really tie the hands of some. If you can't use all thats available to bring your game to the top and everybody is pretty much stuck with boring as skimmed milk naked baits then its not truly competition.
Marty stated that if we really want to "help the fish" lets cut out GPS, and or all electronic help. We could narrow the playing fields to shorter "fences that even the slowest boats can reach. Hell, make it all artificial and no dead or live bait. You'ld hear some screaming then!
As for "sport" end of it "sports cars" are at the low end of enviromentally friendly...

[GALAZIO]

Deep... as much as you know about fishing, I know about golf... I can tell you, you are mistaken if you think golf is not a team sport between the player and caddy.

Now, Here's a good read for those following this thread. It is from Arnold Palmer. (if you don't know who he is, forget it).

...I was playing a round of golf with some friends recently when one of my partners brought up a highly publicized incident he'd seen on television.

"Arnie," he said, "how on earth did Ian Woosnam end up with fifteen clubs in his bag at the British Open?"

"Happens more than you think," I said. "You're on the range fooling around with different clubs and you walk to the tee with too many in your bag. Of course, most of the time your caddie counts clubs before you tee off and you catch the mistake before it costs you two shots."

"Has it ever happened to you?" my friend wanted to know.

"No, I always check the bag myself. Ian relied on his caddie, and the caddie let him down."

"So, what if the caddie had kept his mouth shut? Could they have played the whole round without anybody finding out? And what if they'd played more than one hole? How big would the penalty have been then?"

Before I could answer those questions, another member of our group joined the discussion. "Who came up with the idea of only fourteen clubs anyway?" he said. "Why not fifteen, or sixteen, or twelve?"

Finally I threw my hands up, and we all had a good laugh.

Questions like that come up all the time in my foursome, but I'm not alone. Every day at golf courses all over the world questions about the rules of golf are being asked and debated in locker rooms and on the first tees and, as was the case with my friends, one question usually sparks two or three more.

I've played competitive golf for over half a century now, and I still love it as much today as I did as a child growing up in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. But even after all these years playing thousands of competitive rounds, I still run across new and fascinating nuances in the rules of golf. As much golf as I've played over the years, you would think I had seen every head-scratching, eyebrow-raising, stranger-than-fiction rule scenario there is, but every so often a situation comes along that leaves me saying, "Hmm, I wonder how that's handled under the rules." That's one of the reasons I thought a book about golf rulings -- the quirky situations that have come up over the years and how they were handled by golf's ruling bodies -- would make an interesting read.

Heaven knows I've also been involved in enough controversial rulings in my own career. Some of my more highly publicized and controversial rules situations continue to be debated in grill rooms around the world forty to fifty years after the fact, while other rulings I've been involved in barely warrant the attention of the professional staff at Latrobe Country Club (where I play most of my summer golf) or the Bay Hill Club in Orlando where I spend most of my winters. Still I'm asked about various rulings, with friends and acquaintances saying things like, "Arnie, that drop you took in the U.S. Open back in such-and-so year, what was the situation there again?" or "Arnie, didn't you have a penalty in this-or-that tournament for breaking rule whatever?"

From what I've seen over the years, golfers don't have a passing interest in the rules of the game: They are obsessed by the rules. Just look at the number of phone calls and e-mails the PGA Tour receives regarding rulings. A golf fan at home turns on the television and sees what he thinks is a violation of the rules, and he immediately calls the tournament director to report it. With so much golf on television these days, that sort of thing happens almost every week now. Sometimes the fans are right. Sometimes the pros make mistakes that are caught by the camera. But most of the time the golf fans watching at home are just like the average golfers in my foursome or in foursomes all over the country: They know just enough about the rules to be dangerous.

It should be easy. There are only thirty-four rules in our game -- fewer than baseball, basketball, football, soccer, rugby, and cricket -- and the rule book is available to anyone who wants it. You don't have to be an umpire or official to own a copy of the Rules of Golf as published by the USGA or the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews. In fact, most golf shops have several versions lying around, and anyone who has a question can ask his local pro.

But not every rules situation is simple and straightforward. Golf is a game of only thirty-four rules but a million variables. Average golfers can't be expected to know all the scenarios in the game. Most touring pros don't know everything there is to know about the rules. The USGA give rules seminars around the country to educate and inform the golfing public about the rules, but even rules officials can make some bad rulings in the heat of the moment.

The truth is, nobody's perfect. Tour pros make mistakes, rules officials sometimes make mistakes, and average golfers playing leisurely rounds on Saturday mornings with their buddies make mistakes. It's the nature of the game. But it's also the nature of the game for golfers to do everything in their power to rectify their mistakes and play the game in accordance with the rules.

Golf has always been, and hopefully will always remain, a gentleman's game. Thousands of rounds are played every day at country clubs, resorts, and public courses around the world without benefit of umpires, referees, judges, or officials. The rules of our game fascinate us because we are our own umpires. Golfers are self-policing, regularly calling penalties on themselves for rules infractions like carrying too many clubs. Why did Ian Woosnam's caddie tell his boss about the 15th club in the bag? Because it would never occur to him to do anything else. The integrity of the game is more important than any single tournament or any one player, and everyone who plays our game does so under that same code of honor.

Rules and rulings in golf are what make our sport unique. The fan sitting at home can relate to the penalty stroke a tour pro is taking for hitting his ball into a water hazard, because average golfers incur those same penalties every day.

Just as players and rules officials make occasional mistakes, the rules themselves aren't perfect either. The rule book wasn't handed down by the Almighty on stone tablets. It's written by men and women who love the game. Those men and women also edit and revise the rules every four years, making subtle changes to reflect any situations that might have occurred in which the existing rulings were vague or fuzzy. Some of the examples I've used in this book prompted changes in the rules in their time, and others will likely be debated in future meetings of golf's ruling bodies.

In presenting this book to you, I hope to make certain golf rulings clearer and provide you with a practical interpretation of why certain rules work the way they do. By going down memory lane with me, rehashing some famous and some not-so-famous rulings, hopefully you will gain a better understanding of how and why the rules of golf work the way they do. Hopefully the lessons you learn will help you enjoy the game.

If I'm successful on that front -- if anything you pick up in these pages makes the game a little more fun -- then the time and effort that has gone into this book will have been worth it.

Enjoy perusing the rules and rulings, but more importantly, go out and enjoy the game.

[Deep C]

Actually fished with Arnie and Sam Snead on different occasions at Ocean Reef Club... I had to pass the rod to them...

[GALAZIO]

LOL ...

[Fritz]

As for your football analogy, passing a rod is equal to a forward lateral and the play should not only be DQ, there should be a pentalty.

[Deep C]

Quarter back can throw where he wants as long as he's not forward of the line of scrimmage. On a boat the transom is that line of scrimmage and if the mate gets on the other side he's gonna be hard pressed to make the pass any way...

[SeaMent]

Galazio, hittin the ball has nothin to do with it ? Tig can land it like a moth with sore feet on the hood of an Oldsmobile from 240 yards with a 4- iron and that's drawing or fading it, I think hittin does have alot to do with it, his mental game is by far ahead of the rest of the field as well JMO

[GALAZIO]

Galazio, hittin the ball has nothin to do with it ? Tig can land it like a moth with sore feet on the hood of an Oldsmobile from 240 yards with a 4- iron and that's drawing or fading it, I think hittin does have alot to do with it, his mental game is by far ahead of the rest of the field as well JMO

Sea... Come on out to the practice facility... I'll line up hundreds of guys that can hit every shot on call. I'll line up another 100 that will put it out there past Tiger EVERY TIME. Hitting high fades and soft draws is nothing. Tiger is Tiger for two reasons. 1) He can process information better than than the others. 2) Putting. The tour is nothing more than professional putters.

And Sea...Tiger CAN'T hit a 240 yd fade with a 4 iron unless it is down wind or he has a flyer lie. Anyone can hit it at that level, what Tiger can do is judge the amount of grass he is going to catch between the clubface and ball better than the others to get it to land soft.