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    Hatchet Marlin Id ?

    Just got this email with this in it and im not sure why i got it but this is a interesting read about the id of a Hatchet.

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    The hatchet marlin is a pretty interesting story. When the billfishes were last reviewed in 1985 by Nakamura, there were a few problem areas. One was the roundscale spearfish and the other was the hatchet marlin. The roundscale spearfish was described based on one specimen taken off Madeira, and they didn't keep the specimen. Nakamura chose to include the species in his publication -- Tetrapturus georgii. While Nakamura did not recognize the hatchet marlin, he pointed out that it might be another species of billfish.

    For the Fourth International Billfish Symposium that was held last year on Catalina Island, California, my colleagues and I presented a new study of the billfish based on morphological and molecular characters. We had specimens of all billfish except for roundscale spearfish. What our data showed was that the hatchet marlin was indeed a different species than white marlin, and it grouped with the spearfish. At the symposium another researcher from Florida presented molecular information on the roundscale spearfish indicating that it was a valid species. When I saw his pictures of the fish I thought to myself that it was a hatchet marlin. After the meeting we exchanged samples and sure enough, the hatchet marlin and the roundscale spearfish are the same animal.

    It was just lucky to get three more specimens of hatchet marlin at the Mid-Atlantic $500,000 this August. It provided us a chance to look at morphological differences between whites and hatchet marlin. While most of us use the squared off fins to designate a hatchet marlin, it turns out that that character does not always work. Whites can have truncated fins. There are three really good characters to identify a hatchet marlin/roundscale spearfish: (1) the location of the vent - in a white the vent is about two inches forward of the anal fin; in a hatchet marlin/roundscale spearfish it is about six inches in front; (2) the lenght of the branchiostegals (the rays below the gill cavity on the ventral side of the head) - in a white marlin they are relatively short, extending to the pre-opercle (about two- thirds of the way out on the gill cover), while on hatchet marlin/roundscale separfish, they extend almost all the way to the end of the gill cover; and finally (3) the scales - if you look at the side of a white it is fairly smooth in coloration while in a roundscale spearfish it appears almost polka-dotted and if you run your hand forward on a white you'll get stuck by the scales - that doesn't happen on a hatchet marlin/roundscale spearfish.

    If you'd like, I have some pictures of these differences.

    Cheers,

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    John Graves
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    VERY COOL!

    FINALLY...SOMEONE WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE ON THIS TOUCHY SUBJECT


    I THINK I KNOW WHY YOU GOT THE EMAIL JOHN...BECUASE OF A RECENT PIC POSTED HERE ON SFC ....DECLARING IT TO BE A WHITE.....

    I ADMIT DOUBT OF SPECIES MYSELF BUT I DON'T KNOW SQUAT ....BUT THESE ARE AWESOME AWESOME PICS......5 STAR AND THANKS TO PROFESSOR JOHN GRAVES FOR ENLIGHTENING US!!!

    WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS BILLFISH IN THE FLOOWING VIDEO CLIP?

    http://www.wahoonbox.com/videos/whatisit.wmv

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    Great info thanks for the added pictures, I hope to FEEL the difference some day
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    I sent it to you John. Thought youd like to see it.

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    Ahh thanks very much man hope it was ok to post up Im sure it will help alot of people.

    I was standing there with Mr Graves as he was collecting the data and its nice to see some of the out come of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye
    Just to show you that this stuff finds me. Marty tell them who's carter that was. It's got to be in the water!

    I would also like to send out my Best Wishes to the Fisherman, Randy Smith. He is in a battle with cancer. He set to have a tumor removed from his throat next week. Randy and I have hunted together for years and fished with Marty. Get better Dude so You can be one here again!!

    MARK IS SPEAKING OF RANDY WHO WAS THE ANGLER OF MY "SUSPECT " MARLIN IN THE ABOVE VIDEO....COME ON RANDY ...GET WELL DUDE!!!


    AND THANKS TO THE TV CELEBRITY.....I MEAN THANKS TO OFFSHOREONE WHO SENT JOHN THE PICS.....

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    All that stuff is from the mate on the Uncle T, this summers Mid Atlantic winner. I guesss its OK to put up, he never said it wasnt. Its good info. Whos goona host the first ever hachet marlin tournament? I dont have any t-shirts with that on them.

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    Great info there John

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