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    Holy Cow! As far as the hunting thing is concerned, I wasn't taking a potshot at anyone or anything back then...just congratulating the guy and commenting on the respect for the animal he showed - how, I don't even remember. Some die hard and some die easy. I'm a big boy and I understand that no ethical hunter is out there to hurt animals like deer, they are out there to kill them and the faster, the better. No innuendos there at all - at least, none intended.

    Red Hat (what I call Roddy)...Good to hear your stuff. Now do you guys know who it was that said that he could catch a hungry blue on a rigged T-shirt? That's pure RedHat!

    That's one of the things that I like about Roddy - he zeroes in on many of the things that actually have more of an effect on our success or failure when it comes to catching billfish - things like all forms of preparation, including rigging, being open to and aware of how those who are consistently catching them are doing it, and so on.

    Thank you for the kind words on the FatBoys. After all of these years, we are finally selling them (in the new catalog) and I have high hopes that they catch some nice fish for the troops, but I have no illusions that they will ever get anywhere near as popular as those made by the big guys. I just made them for myself and my buds for years, so we'll see.

    As far as those MC Wide Ranges are concerned, Roddy has come up with a modification for them that has the potentilal to make them even more special. I will leave it to him to discuss that when he's ready. All I will say is, yes, it is possible to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

    It's great to have old RedHat here among us. And do not make the mistake of thinking of him as just one of the blue marlin greats - he's a way sharp tuna and everything else kind of guy who keeps his feet solidly on the ground when it comes to the fish themselves and who spends his time out there on that leading edge that I like to talk about. He's as bad as the worst of the rest of us sicko fish heads...Say, "let's go fishing" for whatever and he's the first one in the boat, raring to go!

    Good to see us back on track here.

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    Lure Fished Friday out of Hatteras.

    2nd wave/ Short corner Mold craft bobby brown slant purple/ black
    3rd wave / Long corner Black bart warrior slant purple/ black foil
    4th wave / short rigger Paluka chatter box / Rainbow
    5th wave Long rigger Black Bart mini 1656 black/ purple foil
    Shot gun Black Bart super pro jet black/ pink

    Teaser Extreme Breakfast wave 1 short corner pulled from cleat

    30 minutes in long corner on the 130 peels for about 4 seconds , tryed to teas'em back nothing

    3 seconds later long rigger gets smoked / 1 hour 20 minutes later 600lbs to the boat my first blue marlin ! 80 wide had to run and gun

    Seas were calm 2-4

    I did notice that some lures look a lot more crisper than other in the spread, tried to fine tune the lures that were not working like I thought just could not get them right

    I started this tread because I am consumed with Blue Marlin even though I had never caught one. I was always trying just never could close the deal. I have talked with Jack from Black Bart for many hours on the phone learning what to do beacuse many people in my area pull meat. I dont really have a teacher so he kind of advanced the learning curve. I have enjoyed all the comments and debates on this subject. It's nice to hear the different techniques. The good thing about fishing I have been very fortunate to have some friends/ Captains at the Ocean City Fishing Center that always took time to answer my question even if I was being a pain. It's nice to share with other on what works to help them catch fish. That's what it's all about having a good time no matter what's being pulled.

    Good fishing to you all and thanks for all the info I had no Idea my first post would go off like this I guess you just have to ask the right question. Take care good luck to you all. I'm stoked first blue marlin Baby Im ready to go again..

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    John,

    Pretty work....I'm glad you and Dale got her.

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    Congrats on your first blue. Ain't it cool when you go out dragging the big stuff, and the big fish eats it!!!

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    Pretty Work John !

    Sounds like a plan that came together.

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    congrats on the blue

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    Have been MIA lately fishing, but stumbled across this post. This is probably one of the best post I have ever read on this site. Makes alot of sense if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roddy Hays View Post
    Franky,

    No need to bite tongues, I'm just from the old school of innuendo and a wee bit of sarcasm. It always amazes me when a thread discusses marlin baits - people suggest what they use, someone else says they're wrong, a manufacturer then chimes in with "mine is best", someone says they're just a copier, someone else says their grandmother's best friend's sister used to make the first ever lures out of the family's wine goblets or something and then it all dissolves into farce.

    Fact is, a lure is nothing more than something towed through water (think George Parker and a piece of chrome rail). Anything you tow with a hook in it will catch a marlin eventually - rather like a car with four wheels will get you there in the end. However, there are better cars out there than some, some better made, and some with radical ideas incorporated. They'll all still get you there in the end, even if one manufacturer has copied or slightly "improved' someone else's idea. But when you really want to sit up and notice is when someone makes a car which uses a different fuel and solves the emissions problem in a completely different way.

    Same thing with lures. Argue all you like about whose resin is the shiniest and whose insert has the biggest eyes and whose skirts wiggle most. Fact is that I know hundreds of boats in far flung corners of the world who use completely different lures and baits from each other - but all catch fish. But those who catch more usually have more water knowledge, better crew and meticulously maintain tackle and line.

    But, if you want to think the difference might just be in a "magic" lure, then the thinking fisherman should search out the radically different lures, the ones that truly offer a completely different angle to an age-old problem (or two). Such as hook-up ratio. Imagine if you could translate your season's 21 for 45 into 36 for 45. Or 2 for 9 into 5 for 9. Would that get your interest ?

    There is no way you can quantify a better lure than another really, since only the ones you run will raise fish. Rather, look more closely at those lures that raise and HOOK fish, which should theoretically mean more fish at the boat.

    Look around your harbour. Pick the top boat. Is he running different lures to you ? Nope. So why is he top dog ? Think on it. Imagine if you could maybe catch twice as many fish as you do now - would you be close to Mr top dog's numbers ? Okay, so you don't have his resources or know-how, but what could you do with some lures that gave you that double edge..... hmm.

    There's nothing wrong with Moldcrafts - there are hundreds of thousands out there and they catch fish. There's enough of them out there that a world record is caught on one now and again. Fred's FATBOYS are the best softherad i know.... ever run one ? You want wiggle ? The FATBOY has more wiggle than a skippie on steroids. There's nowt wrong with Illanders either. There's zilch wrong with Deep's Masher as well (which before it was the Big T KWAGGA was actually the Tinker DINGO - both lures catching more of our 1000lb fish in Madeira than any other), but where's the edge in all of them ? How come Stewart Campbell's teaser spread in Madeira has no Moldcrafts in it ?

    There's a fella fishing in central america, well known, highly regarded, wins awards every year, who's found something different enough to his Moldcraft teasers to start catching a whole lot more blue marlin than he did last year. He's found a lure with an edge - he read between the lines of the manufacturer's blurb and saw something the average big-game angler missed.

    Seek and ye shall find. That's all I'm saying.

    Roddy

    PS: Deep, did you know I named all the original Big T heads ? The Out Of Africa theme was all my invention and the Kwagga was one of my favourites. I must admit I never knew they'd all be going strong still, 15 years later. Betcha didn't know that !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roddy Hays View Post
    Franky,

    No need to bite tongues, I'm just from the old school of innuendo and a wee bit of sarcasm. It always amazes me when a thread discusses marlin baits - people suggest what they use, someone else says they're wrong, a manufacturer then chimes in with "mine is best", someone says they're just a copier, someone else says their grandmother's best friend's sister used to make the first ever lures out of the family's wine goblets or something and then it all dissolves into farce.

    Fact is, a lure is nothing more than something towed through water (think George Parker and a piece of chrome rail). Anything you tow with a hook in it will catch a marlin eventually - rather like a car with four wheels will get you there in the end. However, there are better cars out there than some, some better made, and some with radical ideas incorporated. They'll all still get you there in the end, even if one manufacturer has copied or slightly "improved' someone else's idea. But when you really want to sit up and notice is when someone makes a car which uses a different fuel and solves the emissions problem in a completely different way.

    Same thing with lures. Argue all you like about whose resin is the shiniest and whose insert has the biggest eyes and whose skirts wiggle most. Fact is that I know hundreds of boats in far flung corners of the world who use completely different lures and baits from each other - but all catch fish. But those who catch more usually have more water knowledge, better crew and meticulously maintain tackle and line.

    But, if you want to think the difference might just be in a "magic" lure, then the thinking fisherman should search out the radically different lures, the ones that truly offer a completely different angle to an age-old problem (or two). Such as hook-up ratio. Imagine if you could translate your season's 21 for 45 into 36 for 45. Or 2 for 9 into 5 for 9. Would that get your interest ?

    There is no way you can quantify a better lure than another really, since only the ones you run will raise fish. Rather, look more closely at those lures that raise and HOOK fish, which should theoretically mean more fish at the boat.

    Look around your harbour. Pick the top boat. Is he running different lures to you ? Nope. So why is he top dog ? Think on it. Imagine if you could maybe catch twice as many fish as you do now - would you be close to Mr top dog's numbers ? Okay, so you don't have his resources or know-how, but what could you do with some lures that gave you that double edge..... hmm.

    There's nothing wrong with Moldcrafts - there are hundreds of thousands out there and they catch fish. There's enough of them out there that a world record is caught on one now and again. Fred's FATBOYS are the best softherad i know.... ever run one ? You want wiggle ? The FATBOY has more wiggle than a skippie on steroids. There's nowt wrong with Illanders either. There's zilch wrong with Deep's Masher as well (which before it was the Big T KWAGGA was actually the Tinker DINGO - both lures catching more of our 1000lb fish in Madeira than any other), but where's the edge in all of them ? How come Stewart Campbell's teaser spread in Madeira has no Moldcrafts in it ?

    There's a fella fishing in central america, well known, highly regarded, wins awards every year, who's found something different enough to his Moldcraft teasers to start catching a whole lot more blue marlin than he did last year. He's found a lure with an edge - he read between the lines of the manufacturer's blurb and saw something the average big-game angler missed.

    Seek and ye shall find. That's all I'm saying.

    Roddy

    PS: Deep, did you know I named all the original Big T heads ? The Out Of Africa theme was all my invention and the Kwagga was one of my favourites. I must admit I never knew they'd all be going strong still, 15 years later. Betcha didn't know that !!!
    You beat me to the punch, Biebs. I think I just found a new hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbohn View Post
    Lure Fished Friday out of Hatteras.

    2nd wave/ Short corner Mold craft bobby brown slant purple/ black
    3rd wave / Long corner Black bart warrior slant purple/ black foil
    4th wave / short rigger Paluka chatter box / Rainbow
    5th wave Long rigger Black Bart mini 1656 black/ purple foil
    Shot gun Black Bart super pro jet black/ pink

    Teaser Extreme Breakfast wave 1 short corner pulled from cleat

    30 minutes in long corner on the 130 peels for about 4 seconds , tryed to teas'em back nothing

    3 seconds later long rigger gets smoked / 1 hour 20 minutes later 600lbs to the boat my first blue marlin ! 80 wide had to run and gun

    Seas were calm 2-4

    I did notice that some lures look a lot more crisper than other in the spread, tried to fine tune the lures that were not working like I thought just could not get them right

    I started this tread because I am consumed with Blue Marlin even though I had never caught one. I was always trying just never could close the deal. I have talked with Jack from Black Bart for many hours on the phone learning what to do beacuse many people in my area pull meat. I dont really have a teacher so he kind of advanced the learning curve. I have enjoyed all the comments and debates on this subject. It's nice to hear the different techniques. The good thing about fishing I have been very fortunate to have some friends/ Captains at the Ocean City Fishing Center that always took time to answer my question even if I was being a pain. It's nice to share with other on what works to help them catch fish. That's what it's all about having a good time no matter what's being pulled.

    Good fishing to you all and thanks for all the info I had no Idea my first post would go off like this I guess you just have to ask the right question. Take care good luck to you all. I'm stoked first blue marlin Baby Im ready to go again..

    And congratulations! Glad you got that blue.

    If there was only one way to do things, all but one of us would never catch fish!

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