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    The 9 States...and Tournaments..

    The 9 States...and Tournaments.. I am posting this for a couple of reasons:

    1. Avoid a tournament license fiasco

    2. Tournament Rules language: Compliance for "State and Federal" language.

    3. Gap's in reciprocity between states which have licenses and states that don't or vice versa.

    4. State's that DO NOT have state licenses require the federal registration.

    5. HMS permit language..is vague as to whether is covers the "vessel" or just the permit holder "as an individual" and whether the vessel's participants are covered by the exemption in a tournament as far as "STATE" registration compliance.

    You can draw your own conclusions, I have. This came up due to a pending tournament we are thinking of entering and after reading the tournament rules and considering where the indivduals live who will be participating versus where the tournament fishing will actually occur.

    Well it was one long ass conversation that left us shaking our heads and ultimately registering not only in the government site but also each home state of residency and the state where the tournament was..basically a CYA registration effort.

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    National Saltwater Angler Registry Opens on New Year’s Day New program, part of improved data collection system, to help protect nation’s ocean resources Saltwater recreational fishermen have long expressed concerns about the data used to estimate the effects of recreational fishing on ocean resources and the nation’s economy. The National Saltwater Angler Registry, which launches on Friday, will help address that concern by providing a comprehensive list of the nation’s saltwater anglers that will be used to improve surveys of fishermen. These surveys are used by NOAA scientists to assess the health of fish stocks and to estimate the economic contributions of anglers. Many saltwater recreational fishermen will be required to register before fishing in 2010. The registry is open for registrations starting Friday, January 1. But if you have a state saltwater fishing license, you may already be part of the registry. “By registering, recreational anglers will make their catch count," said Jim Balsiger, acting NOAA assistant administrator for NOAA’s Fisheries Service. “The National Saltwater Angler Registry is an important tool that will enable us to better estimate the health of marine fisheries so that we’re able to preserve the pastime of recreational saltwater fishing for generations to come." “Recreational fishers need the registry,” says Capt. Monty Hawkins, a party boat operator and recreational fishing advocate based in Ocean City, Md. “People’s lives depend on the quality of the government’s information. It’s the basis for management decisions on everything from creel limits to whether to shut down whole sections of the coast. I’ve been harshly critical of recreational fishing data in the past, but I welcome the registry as a way to improve upon the current system." Gordon Colvin, a biologist with NOAA’s Fisheries Service and interim senior policy advisor on recreational fishing to Balsiger, who has spearheaded the registry implementation, said that many anglers will not need to take any action to register, because their coastal states already have agreements in place with NOAA to share state saltwater fishing license information.

    Who Needs to Register: Recreational saltwater fishermen will need to register if they: • Hold a license from one of 10 coastal states or territories which do not currently have comprehensive saltwater angler license or registration requirements—Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virginia, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. • Fish for or are likely to catch anadromous species in tidal and salt waters; these are fish like river herring, shad, smelt and striped bass that live in the oceans but spawn in fresh water, OR • Fish in the federal waters more than three miles from the ocean shore or from the mouths of rivers or bays


    Who Doesn’t Need to Register Some anglers don’t have to register if they:
    • Hold a license from one of 15 coastal states with comprehensive licensing or registration — Alabama, Alaska, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Washington; • Are not required under state law in one of these 15 states to hold a fishing license as is sometimes the case with seniors or active-duty military; • Are under age 16; • Pay to fish on licensed charter, party or guide boats; • Hold a Highly Migratory Species Angling permit or subsistence fishing permit; • Fish commercially under a valid license. National Saltwater Angler registration is free in 2010.

    To register beginning Friday, anglers can visit http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov and click on the Angler Registry link, or call the toll-free registration line at 1-888-MRIP411 (1-888-674-7411) from 4:00 am to 12 midnight EST daily. Anglers will need to provide their name, date of birth, address and telephone number, and will receive a registration number that will allow them to begin fishing immediately. They will receive a registration card in the mail in about 30 days. Steve Medeiros, executive director of the Rhode Island Saltwater Anglers Association and a leading advocate for a saltwater fishing license in his state, said the registry is an important step. “While it’s true that some fishermen don’t like the idea of having to register to participate in a sport they’ve taken for granted their whole lives, anyone fishing today knows that increasing pressures on the ocean are having a real effect,” he said. “If we’re going to pass the sport down to our children and grandchildren, we’re going to need sound management based on good data.” The registry will be used as the basis for conducting surveys of saltwater recreational fishermen to find out how often they fish. It will eventually replace the use of random-digit dialing to coastal households, a system NOAA has had in place since the 1970s. The goal is to improve survey efficiency and reduce bias by making calls only to homes where people fish, and reaching saltwater anglers who live outside coastal counties. While the registry is among the most visible aspects of NOAA’s Marine Recreational Information Program, it is only one component of this rigorous multi-year, multi-phased overhaul of the system NOAA uses to collect and report recreational fishing data. Each piece of its design and implementation has been guided by close working relationships among NOAA personnel, fisheries managers, state partners, independent scientists and the recreational fishing community. Recreational fishermen should also remember that regardless of whether an individual is registered with NOAA, they must obey all state regulations and licensing requirements where they are fishing. NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources. Visit us at http://www.noaa.gov and on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/noaa.lubchenco. - 30 -
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    Bottom line.............it's free and you can do it over the phone or on line so just register and forget about it. I picked up a stack of the registry business cards at Sunset to keep onthe boat so when I have guests I just give them the card and tell them to call before we get out of cell range. They may even have an app because my brother got his number as an icon on his Ipad.

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    After thinking about this issue..a simple solution comes to mind:


    NMFS ...sells a tournament participant a "Master Tournament License" which exempts the "individual" from all licensing requirements..state and federal, annually and renewable. This "Master License" would be required to fish in all tournaments. (Exception would be the owner/vessel required HMS permits still applies). The state of residency of the participant would receive a % of the fee charged for it's coffers.

    The amount of these licenses would be minimal in the scope of overall licensing since for your home state you would still require you to have the normal licenses by state.

    This would rectify all the licensing issues for out of state boats and crews traveling to fish tournaments from Texas to Maine trying to deal with "State" licensing compliance and tournament rules.

    Afterall, the heart of state licensing beside the obvious "tax", is the catch reporting requirement that the NMFS and NOAA want. Tournaments are required to report catch as part of their registration with NMFS tournament registration.

    whatever....IMHO the rules should not reference "STATE" licenses until this entire licensing issue is resolved..or make the national registry tournament compliant in lieu of any state license..but that would cost a state $$..who knows
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    Quote Originally Posted by canyongear View Post
    After thinking about this issue..a simple solution comes to mind:


    NMFS ...sells a tournament participant a "Master Tournament License" which exempts the "individual" from all licensing requirements..state and federal, annually and renewable. This "Master License" would be required to fish in all tournaments. (Exception would be the owner/vessel required HMS permits still applies). The state of residency of the participant would receive a % of the fee charged for it's coffers.

    The amount of these licenses would be minimal in the scope of overall licensing since for your home state you would still require you to have the normal licenses by state.

    This would rectify all the licensing issues for out of state boats and crews traveling to fish tournaments from Texas to Maine trying to deal with "State" licensing compliance and tournament rules.

    Afterall, the heart of state licensing beside the obvious "tax", is the catch reporting requirement that the NMFS and NOAA want. Tournaments are required to report catch as part of their registration with NMFS tournament registration.

    whatever....IMHO the rules should not reference "STATE" licenses until this entire licensing issue is resolved..or make the national registry tournament compliant in lieu of any state license..but that would cost a state $$..who knows
    I believe the eventual intent is to mirror the way federal waterfowl regs are attached to hunting license purchases.
    That is State Lic + Fed Stamp +Fed survey
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    As someone who has watched this develop and sits on an advisory panel I can tell you there is no master plan. The entire registry concept is, and has always been, driven by the scientists.

    One of the hardest pieces of data for them to get has always been a solid estimation of effort - How many people are fishing for a species? This is what was behind the MRFSS system we have all hated so much, with its random digit dialing of coastal homes. MRFSS is a lousy survey and has been called 'fatally flawed'.

    In surveying the first thing the scientist needs to know is what group are they sampling and how do they reach them. With MRFSS they literally any home with a landline within like 100 miles of the ocean, this has led to really bad surveys. When fishermen complained the scientists said "Give us a better group to sample" - This, and only this, is what led to the angler registry.

    Every state with a saltwater license has agreed to share the data with NMFS. Obviously, those states without licenses can't provide the same information. To fill the gaps NMFS created the federal registry. When every coastal state has a license I expect them to close the federal registry entirely. At that point they will get their lists of anglers from the states and eliminate the duplicates.

    The reason the charter/headboat anglers don't need to be on the registry is because charter/headboat effort is recorded in their logs. The boat reports for everyone aboard. (Personally I think this is a superior system that should be employed for HMS, let the permit holder report for everyone aboard.)

    As for tournaments, theoretically, since all tournament effort and catch is already reported, we should be able apply for an exemption from having our anglers register. But that is not the current regs, and it is unlikely any state would go for that idea.

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