Question For Da Box Man

[zar2754]

all this planer talk has me itching.

couple questions


im gonna rig a couple wahoonbox style bridled planers for the summer bluefin run off south jerz. couple questions..


1. how much drag do you use to keep the planer from creeping?

2. is it possible to run this set up with out bent butt rods? would it be applicable to downgrade to a #12 old salt if running off a 50w ?

thanks

Josh

[fishy]

I was wondering that myself. When we put them big planers on we have to screw an 80 all the way to keep it from creeping.

[tunatamer4]

zar-

I have tried a number of variations to this method since I first learned about it.

I have found that running a straight butt works if you DO downsize the planer, but the rod still needs to very stiff in order to trip the planer if it isn't hit. A more limber rod gives the planer time to reset or never trip after being thrown into freespool.

I was forced to experiment with different set ups because the guys I worked for didn't want to shell out the money for what we needed to properly work this rig.

In the end, if you scale down the rod and reel size, the planer size must follow, and then you give up the depth you want to achieve.

I know this doesn't matter to a hill of beans about what you're asking, but you may have to do a little experimenting of your own to find out what works for you.

[reelfisher]

I have found that it takes about 2#'s of drag per ounce of planer. So (12=24#,16=32#,24=48#). These are generally pretty close when using these planers on a average fishing day and not a 6 foot following swell that you are surfing down. I hope this is what you are lookoing for.

[zar2754]

thanks for the comebacks

[Sea Cure]

Josh,

1. how much drag do you use to keep the planer from creeping?

We run a bent butt with an 80 Shimano with 45-50 # of Drag and use a #16 mostly, sometimes a #24 if all marks are really deep. Most of our trolling is 6-7 knots, bluefin is slower, 5-5.5 knots. Less drag could work.

We deploy it just under the surface and let it slowly creep out about 150'or more (aprox. 100-120' deep). It could take 20-30 minutes, then trip it and reset it.


2. is it possible to run this set up with out bent butt rods? would it be applicable to downgrade to a #12 old salt if running off a 50w ?

Yes it would be possible but not ideal. The rod bends A LOT. Our drag on an 80 is always creeping out. A 50w and a #12 is a good combo, I wouldn't go to a #16 or #24.


I do not reccomend the in line planner set up for the 100#+ bluefin we have been getting up here. We will use a seperate planner with a release clip, either on a downrigger or tied to the transom.

With the snipper planner rod set up, after the initial strike, the rod tip pops up and the 45# of drag MUST be lowered to 10-15# IMMEDIATELEY for that initial run or else you would pull a hook or break some conections. A big bluefin could cause some problems here. Several conections and crimps on the 130# line leave a lot to chance with bigger fish.

We redo conections after every fish over 50-60#, and every trip.

[Nauti Natured]

Wouldnt running the planer from a downrigger with a release clip eliminate the need for the super heavy drag with the big planers? I may be missing something but it just seems like doing it from a d-rigger or a handline would eliminate a lot of these issues that arise with the inline planer.

[zar2754]

Josh,

1. how much drag do you use to keep the planer from creeping?

We run a bent butt with an 80 Shimano with 45-50 # of Drag and use a #16 mostly, sometimes a #24 if all marks are really deep. Most of our trolling is 6-7 knots, bluefin is slower, 5-5.5 knots. Less drag could work.

We deploy it just under the surface and let it slowly creep out about 150'or more (aprox. 100-120' deep). It could take 20-30 minutes, then trip it and reset it.


2. is it possible to run this set up with out bent butt rods? would it be applicable to downgrade to a #12 old salt if running off a 50w ?

Yes it would be possible but not ideal. The rod bends A LOT. Our drag on an 80 is always creeping out. A 50w and a #12 is a good combo, I wouldn't go to a #16 or #24.


I do not reccomend the in line planner set up for the 100#+ bluefin we have been getting up here. We will use a seperate planner with a release clip, either on a downrigger or tied to the transom.

With the snipper planner rod set up, after the initial strike, the rod tip pops up and the 45# of drag MUST be lowered to 10-15# IMMEDIATELEY for that initial run or else you would pull a hook or break some conections. A big bluefin could cause some problems here. Several conections and crimps on the 130# line leave a lot to chance with bigger fish.

We redo conections after every fish over 50-60#, and every trip.

great response seacure. much appreciated

[Flatdog]

Are we being to careful "Re" noise in the water guys? The boat is a massive amount of noise, so a large line or rope will make very little difference. What if you throw a 60lb lead weight over the back, it would for all intensive purposes run at what ever depth you want! With the normal releases that you use whats the difference, we should be looking at how to get it out the water the quickest way, some form of pot hauler type contraption, or the Box on roids , the problem is whats left in the water after the "take"! Not how to get it down to the required depth!

[SNAKE EYES SPORTFISHING]

ZAR, there are tons of ways to deep troll, this is what you are actually doing, some people prefer z-wings, although i never used one some say there better than peanut butter. now im no salesman, however if you ever get the chance, catch boxmans riggin class, after attending you'll understand, as for the planner set up with the bridle. i am from cape may so it seems we fish the same waters, the plus side of a DFA ROD is you can put an 150 lb tuna in the boat in 20 min max, no shit 20 mins, when the DFA rod hits theres no doubt you got one hung, now im no expert but in using it for 2 years we've hung about 50 quality fish over 120 lb mark. as for how much drag it takes, i believe its all about the conditions and speed . i use a tiagra 80 with 150 diawa braid and either 130 or 150 leader material. now my set up might not be exact because my reel willnot free spool without loosening the drag to trip the planner, basically because im always letting the planner creep. so can i say how much drag it pulls, no , however i know when that tip dances its time to back the drag below or just to strike. that seems to be our ticket, last summer we had 2 young ladies each put 125 lb tuna in the boat in less than 20 mins, in my opinion this doesnt monopolize the day, some times the bite is short and if i can boat the fish in 20 mins and get re-set i have better chances than backing down on a fish for an hour with a penn 50. also i run a 34' cc so i like the angler fighting the fish right next to me, in a swivel rod holder. now theres a ton more to this but if you watch martys riggin video a few dozen times it all sinks in, and works...best of luck...dave