DFA question for box

[rich]

When you were explaining your DFA set-up you said that it took 52 pounds of drag to stop a #16 old salty planer. You also said that you use an 80 tiagra. Here is my question. An 80 only has a max strike drag of 44 pounds with a free spool. How do you get the 51lbs of drag you use? Do you turn up your pre-set to where you don't have a free spool? Do you do a little modifying your reel? Or is it some kind of re-action to the line being pulled across the rod guides?

[WAHOONBOX]

When you were explaining your DFA set-up you said that it took 52 pounds of drag to stop a #16 old salty planer. You also said that you use an 80 tiagra. Here is my question. An 80 only has a max strike drag of 44 pounds with a free spool. How do you get the 51lbs of drag you use? Do you turn up your pre-set to where you don't have a free spool? Do you do a little modifying your reel? Or is it some kind of re-action to the line being pulled across the rod guides?

VERY VERY GOOD QUESTION HERE RICH....AND I HOPE I CAN EXPLAIN IT CLEARLY....

REMEMBER ALL DRAG SCALES...INCLUDING ALL BRAND NAME DRAG SCALE MODELS....THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN SEPERATE IDENTITY ....AND THEY ALL MUST BE CALIBRATED EACH TIME THEY ARE USED...I USE A 10 LB DUMBBELL WEIGHT FROM SEARS TO CALIBRATE

REMEBER THAT THE MAINLINE ON THE 80 TIAGRA IS LIUMITED TO ABOUT 350-400 YDS OF 80 OR 100 LB MONO.....THEREFORE ONLY FILLING UP APPX HALF THE SPOOL......I DO NOT USE A LINE METER MACHINE AND I INSTALL MY LINES BY HAND ...SO I DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT YARDAGE OF THE MAINLINE....I AM JUST GUESSITMATING HERE

WITH THE 80 SPOOL ONLY HALF FULL.....THIS ALONE INCREASES THE DRAG.....NOW KEEP IN MIND ONCE AGAIN...EVERY DRAG SCALE WILL PROBABLY READ DIFFERENT.......I THEN ADD APPX 100 YDS OF DAIWA

ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE INSTRUCTIONS BROCHURE FOR THE TIAGRA 80 DOES STATE THAT A 50 AND A 80 HAS THE SAME DRAG AT FULL /FREE SPOOL 44 LBS....BUT THAT IS NOT ALL TRUE IN MY OPINION....ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL WAS WRITTEN BY A PERSON FROM A COUNTRY WHO ATTACKED THE U.S. @ PEARL HARBOR IN 1941.............I THOUGHT I'D JUST THROW THAT ONE IN ....CAUSE I AM STILL PISSED ABOUT THIS.....

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[rich]

Thanks box I will be looking forward to the video.

[Raymond Rhodes .]

I do not know if I am following correctly or not.

If the failure rate or max drag setting is say 50 lbs. how could the drag not fail with half the spool full and anything over 50 lbs. being reached?

Also another question cause I truley do not know. I understand with a planer rod that line out will not be that much but for instance. You have 450-550 yards of line out on a fish what effect would that have on your drag--Increase/Decrease? If you have the reel to the button and know that you have say 20 lbs of drag with the spool full what would the drag be with 450-550 yards of line out? I seem to remember being told when you have 1 streched out that you should decrease your drag to account for the line out and the strain that will be putting on your gear.

Thanks for the help.

[FinRazr]

I do not know if I am following correctly or not.

If the failure rate or max drag setting is say 50 lbs. how could the drag not fail with half the spool full and anything over 50 lbs. being reached?

Also another question cause I truley do not know. I understand with a planer rod that line out will not be that much but for instance. You have 450-550 yards of line out on a fish what effect would that have on your drag--Increase/Decrease? If you have the reel to the button and know that you have say 20 lbs of drag with the spool full what would the drag be with 450-550 yards of line out? I seem to remember being told when you have 1 streched out that you should decrease your drag to account for the line out and the strain that will be putting on your gear.

Thanks for the help.

@ half spool the mechanical advantage is reduced and drag goes up by about 1/3

[Raymond Rhodes .]

Got that part Fin but if the max drag is set at full spool how can it perform under half spool conditions without failure?

[cape_fisherman]

The 'mechanical' drag doesn't change in the least. It is physics...plain & simple. As the spool diameter gets smaller it is physically harder to pull line off. The drag washers don't actually crank down harder...they stay the same no matter what the spool diameter is. They are separtate things entirely.

Jay

[Raymond Rhodes .]

IF

@ half spool the mechanical advantage is reduced and drag goes up by about 1/3

And I am full spool full drag. What happens when the advantage is 1/3 better? Half spool?

What does the line out account for this?

[#1Gaffman]

maybe i just misunderstood this,

But it sounded like you were saying, when a spool is only Half full you can actually get more Lbs of drag then whent it was tottally full?

[Glenn W]

Not much chance you're an engineering major there Gaff. Take a cinder block, tie a line to it and try to twist it around a needle while pulling the block to you. Do the same thing with a wire spool 4 ft in diameter. Which one is easier to move the cinder block?