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    Quote Originally Posted by bigg09 View Post
    Gman, I know i am not fred, but i can speak to my experiences. We have fished both ways and now fish a mix of the two. To me there is a difference in daytime and nightitme.

    for nighttime, we usually start around 8# while drifting and if hooked up, we leave it there for a short period. Why i like this, is because a lot of times swords will come right to the boat out of curiosity not even really realizing that they are hooked. might get a quick shot without pulling the hook. But if the fish goes on a run, we usually don't really put the drag on unless really needed until the run is over. (you have to keep in mind that we rarely have the current in the mid-atlantic) that they have in s. fl. If the fish gets stubborn we incrimentally increase the drag, because yes a long fight is brutal and often leads to pulled hooks. On our first large sword we caught here a 226# fish, we fought him with 8-12# of drag for the first 3 hours and then finally stepped up the drag to the corner for the last two. i feel lucky we landed that fish, but we will probably never fish for that long again with that light of drag. we were fortunate that the fish was hooked really well.

    for daytime fishing, you have to start with a lot more drag just to keep the line from creeping because of the depth and weight. if hooked up, we most often back off espically after the weight breaks off. you have to realize in daytime fishing that you already have a ton of line out and it automatically increases the drag. if you are fortunate and gain a bunch of line back, you can step up the drag. most often the fish will work towards the surface in the initial run. if for some reason you don't get the weight break off, you are stuck having to fight lots of drag the whole time and i think that with extra drag and the weight not breaking off, it can lead to a lot more pulled hooks.

    Keep in mind that my experience is with off-set j-hooks. look forward to hearing Fred's side with the circles. just like fighting a marlin, you back off during the runs and increase when the fish is coming to you unless it is a giant fish and you have no shoice but getting spooled. all of our sword rods have tons of pp backing, so rarely would line capacity be a problem. you have to factor in how much line is out and what type of drag increase is factored in already.
    Great response my question wasn't just directed at fred. The daytime bite is very different especially as it pertains to gear, and techniques. I love swording even though I got away from it this year. Nothing like doing battle with them at night

    We had one follow the tip rod I was working right into the light boatside and we watched him clumsily eat in front of us all it up deep purple. It was absolutely amazing to see a 200# sword eat like. A moment my son and i will never forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Fred Archer View Post
    Thanks Draggin'. I didn't know that they were mandated. All that I do know is that every longliner I know or have heard of uses them; not, I think, because they are mandated, but because they work great.
    I have asked a few about that. They have all told me that they liked the days back when they could use an 8/0 J-hook. I think it hooked a lot more variety of stuff, including the mahi's.

    The big circles were mainly put in place to protect turtles, not improve catches.

    I haven't done any daytime swording yet, but wanted to a few years ago, thats why I was always down there pumping them for info. They told me that they fish the same temp break that sporties do, just deeper. I think they have to work at least 50 miles offshore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
    Great response my question wasn't just directed at fred. The daytime bite is very different especially as it pertains to gear, and techniques. I love swording even though I got away from it this year. Nothing like doing battle with them at night

    We had one follow the tip rod I was working right into the light boatside and we watched him clumsily eat in front of us all it up deep purple. It was absolutely amazing to see a 200# sword eat like. A moment my son and i will never forget
    What did he act like? How clumsy is clumsy? Was it a squid or fish bait?

    I fish a tuna drag. If he comes off oh well. Hooked in the mouth they stay buttoned. I'm more worried about a spastic fisherman. I push them to fight it in the rod holder or long range style on the gunnel and let the rod do the work. Rod butt between the legs, left hand on the sideplate and right on the handle with the foregrip on the gunnel. Keeps those crazy jerks and slacks in line from happening and you can go for days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Michael Buffington View Post
    What did he act like? How clumsy is clumsy? Was it a squid or fish bait?

    I fish a tuna drag. If he comes off oh well. Hooked in the mouth they stay buttoned. I'm more worried about a spastic fisherman. I push them to fight it in the rod holder or long range style on the gunnel and let the rod do the work. Rod butt between the legs, left hand on the sideplate and right on the handle with the foregrip on the gunnel. Keeps those crazy jerks and slacks in line and you can go for days.

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    It was absolutely spectacular ... it was really really uncoordinated in the lights. It followed the squid bait right up to the boat and then proceeded to miss the bait 4 or 5 times while bumping the boat, then it got wrapped in the leader then finally ate it and dove deep. This was a big sword (200# class) and its eyes were obviously affected by the lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman View Post
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    It was absolutely spectacular ... it was really really uncoordinated in the lights. It followed the squid bait right up to the boat and then proceeded to miss the bait 4 or 5 times while bumping the boat, then it got wrapped in the leader then finally ate it and dove deep. This was a big sword (200# class) and its eyes were obviously affected by the lights.
    to put a camera down there to watch them eat. I have felt it on the rod and it must be quite a show! I'm jealous Glenn

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    Night, day deep or day surface, Baja style, I apply the right drag for the line that I'm using, no matter the size of the sword. That goes back to my belief that if I have a fish hooked right (which is usually the case if you're doing it right in the first place) and I have the ultimate confidence in our rigging, whether it's for swords or anything else. So I simply do not worry about tackle failure and put the boots to anything that we hook. If I am going to pull a hook, I want it to happen early-on, not later.

    It's unknown to all but a few of my old Shimano mates, but they used to call me "The BeastMaster" for the way that I fought fish. And in fact, that is exactly where the "BeastMaster" name came from for the original reels of that name. I didn't know what the hell to call our new two speeds and several of my guys said, "Well, you say they're tough as hell and will really beat up fish, so why not call them "BeastMasters", BeastMaster? And so it was, but without any reference to where the name came from. That's not a brag (facts can't be), but more a confirmation that I am a heavy drag, rig right, and kick their asses kind of angler.

    In spite of that, I simply do not recall pulling a hook on a swordfish once we switched over to the circles, and I'm mighty certain that it didn't happen or I would remember it. I believe that any credit for that goes first, to the circle, second, to using the right baits and rigs, and pure, professional quality rigging and quality tackle and, I suppose, a bit of bar fighting attitude on the angler's part - and that was a long way from always being me. But if you were in my chair, using my gear, and I found you a sword, you didn't mess with the drag or anything else and you worked your ass off, or you got booted out of that chair and someone else took your place. No pussies or wimps need to apply when it comes to duking it out with Elvis.

    While we are sort of on the subject of swords and what magnificent, incredibly tough warriors they are, here is the best example I know of. Years ago I used 12 or 13/0 kirbed, forged Sea Demons on heavy cable or 5-600# mono leader on our daytime swordfish rigs. Probably surprisingly to some, we filed and sanded and buffed double knife blades on those hooks. Why? Because our avowed objective was to back down slowly on any biters to allow them to completely swallow the hook (and small, sewn on bait). Then, when the time was right, we'd hook the fish with the boat and the strike drag that we used then, and throughout the fight, hopefully slicing up their innards, causing massive internal bleeding and thus shortening the fight and the beatings that our anglers took.

    One day on a crew trip with all captains and one very good fisherman, we spotted a monstrous sword tailing out on the Cabrillo Seamount. I baited the fish. She gobbled the bait down and we slowly backed down on her for at least a full minute. Then I locked and loaded and my friend, Captain Bobby Dobson of Checkmate, who was driving my boat, put the pedals to the metal and The Archer leapt forward and we stuck the hell out of her. She stopped and I could feel her shaking her bill and head back and forth while Bobby thundered back and we hoped for an early gaff shot...thank God she sunk out a little before we got there!

    She jumped completely out of the water at that point - a mere forty feet behind us; straight up she went, her huge tail winding up several feet from the surface. She absolutely blew our minds with her impossible size. None of us, including me, who had caught some big ones over the years and had seen some monsters killed by my harpoon buddies, had ever seen anything approaching her. She was an absolute behemoth!

    I can still see that jump, these many years later. It literally looked like it was slow motion video. I retained enough of my sanity while she hung there, shaking her head and great bill, to note the huge gouts of squid and blood gushing from her mouth and gills. When she went back in the water and I'd gotten the 80 two speed bent butt spooled with 130 Dac in the chair with the angler I said. "Did you guys see all that blood and those stomach contents? She's hooked bad in the engine room and that hook is hurting the hell out of her. She's ours, just as long as we stay calm...let's do that."

    Three and half hours later after three hours of 43# of drag and a half hour at sunset on 130# Dacron (she had died), we lost her at boatside and within inches of the gaff. Bobby had slipped up in the tower as a result of exhaustion and trying to eyeball the end, the boat spun out the wrong way and over her, and we busted the leader on the covering boards. My mate Chicky broke several fingers in his hand when he shove the gloved hand under the leader to try to cushion it.

    How big was she? I don't know, nor do I have any idea. All that I know is that she was far bigger than any fish of any kind that I had ever seen in my life.

    My God, I still dream of her to this day. My only regret, and it is a deep one, was that we killed her. I have never gotten over being saddened by that.

    Yeah, the glorious, mighty broadbill swordfish. I hope that all of you get to meet yours one day. You'll never be right after that, but man, it's worth it.

    Just don't ever underestimate them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Fred Archer View Post
    Night, day deep or day surface, Baja style, I apply the right drag for the line that I'm using, no matter the size of the sword. That goes back to my belief that if I have a fish hooked right (which is usually the case if you're doing it right in the first place) and I have the ultimate confidence in our rigging, whether it's for swords or anything else. So I simply do not worry about tackle failure and put the boots to anything that we hook. If I am going to pull a hook, I want it to happen early-on, not later.

    It's unknown to all but a few of my old Shimano mates, but they used to call me "The BeastMaster" for the way that I fought fish. And in fact, that is exactly where the "BeastMaster" name came from for the original reels of that name. I didn't know what the hell to call our new two speeds and several of my guys said, "Well, you say they're tough as hell and will really beat up fish, so why not call them "BeastMasters", BeastMaster? And so it was, but without any reference to where the name came from. That's not a brag (facts can't be), but more a confirmation that I am a heavy drag, rig right, and kick their asses kind of angler.

    In spite of that, I simply do not recall pulling a hook on a swordfish once we switched over to the circles, and I'm mighty certain that it didn't happen or I would remember it. I believe that any credit for that goes first, to the circle, second, to using the right baits and rigs, and pure, professional quality rigging and quality tackle and, I suppose, a bit of bar fighting attitude on the angler's part - and that was a long way from always being me. But if you were in my chair, using my gear, and I found you a sword, you didn't mess with the drag or anything else and you worked your ass off, or you got booted out of that chair and someone else took your place. No pussies or wimps need to apply when it comes to duking it out with Elvis.

    While we are sort of on the subject of swords and what magnificent, incredibly tough warriors they are, here is the best example I know of. Years ago I used 12 or 13/0 kirbed, forged Sea Demons on heavy cable or 5-600# mono leader on our daytime swordfish rigs. Probably surprisingly to some, we filed and sanded and buffed double knife blades on those hooks. Why? Because our avowed objective was to back down slowly on any biters to allow them to completely swallow the hook (and small, sewn on bait). Then, when the time was right, we'd hook the fish with the boat and the strike drag that we used then, and throughout the fight, hopefully slicing up their innards, causing massive internal bleeding and thus shortening the fight and the beatings that our anglers took.

    One day on a crew trip with all captains and one very good fisherman, we spotted a monstrous sword tailing out on the Cabrillo Seamount. I baited the fish. She gobbled the bait down and we slowly backed down on her for at least a full minute. Then I locked and loaded and my friend, Captain Bobby Dobson of Checkmate, who was driving my boat, put the pedals to the metal and The Archer leapt forward and we stuck the hell out of her. She stopped and I could feel her shaking her bill and head back and forth while Bobby thundered back and we hoped for an early gaff shot...thank God she sunk out a little before we got there!

    She jumped completely out of the water at that point - a mere forty feet behind us; straight up she went, her huge tail winding up several feet from the surface. She absolutely blew our minds with her impossible size. None of us, including me, who had caught some big ones over the years and had seen some monsters killed by my harpoon buddies, had ever seen anything approaching her. She was an absolute behemoth!

    I can still see that jump, these many years later. It literally looked like it was slow motion video. I retained enough of my sanity while she hung there, shaking her head and great bill, to note the huge gouts of squid and blood gushing from her mouth and gills. When she went back in the water and I'd gotten the 80 two speed bent butt spooled with 130 Dac in the chair with the angler I said. "Did you guys see all that blood and those stomach contents? She's hooked bad in the engine room and that hook is hurting the hell out of her. She's ours, just as long as we stay calm...let's do that."

    Three and half hours later after three hours of 43# of drag and a half hour at sunset on 130# Dacron (she had died), we lost her at boatside and within inches of the gaff. Bobby had slipped up in the tower as a result of exhaustion and trying to eyeball the end, the boat spun out the wrong way and over her, and we busted the leader on the covering boards. My mate Chicky broke several fingers in his hand when he shove the gloved hand under the leader to try to cushion it.

    How big was she? I don't know, nor do I have any idea. All that I know is that she was far bigger than any fish of any kind that I had ever seen in my life.

    My God, I still dream of her to this day. My only regret, and it is a deep one, was that we killed her. I have never gotten over being saddened by that.

    Yeah, the glorious, mighty broadbill swordfish. I hope that all of you get to meet yours one day. You'll never be right after that, but man, it's worth it.

    Just don't ever underestimate them!
    what a story! Thats great! You are right about them being addictive. Thats all I want to do now. BTW I am almost done with a prototype of that rig I was talking about and added enough bamboo, pulleys, and coat hangers for it to be recognized as a Buffington Original

    Mike

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    wow that was some good stuff right there made my " the sword ate right in front of me seem kinda silly now" hahahaha

    Great story those are the ones that keep us coming back for more

    oh and happy Birthday Fred not sure if you got the messages on facebook

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