shamrock hull problem...real bad !!

[Cardinal Joe]

If it was that Easy ???????????? Most New Boat Companies - do NOT buy the Debt or Warr. issues of the boat line that they are purchasing !!!!!!!! Most of time they just buy the " MOLD'S " of the boats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cardinal Joe

[stimmy]

I am a Shamrock owner and a business owner. I bought a new Mackinaw last year and had some warranty issues. The dealer gave me the run around and Bo got involved. Because of his personal involvement, my problems were resolved. He was extremely nice to me personally as well, a real standup guy from my experience.
I have also purchased a company that had a somewhat checkered past about quality workmanship. Like Will Rogers said, "the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole, is to STOP DIGGING!" We worked very hard to correct the deficiencies. I believe, from what I've read and my limited experience, Bo has done that with Shamrock.
The next step is to try to resolve the inherited issues even though you may have no liability to do so. Obviously a part of what Bo bought is the name which is valuable and worth maintaining, but if Jimmy thinks Shamrock was purchased for warm fuzzy feelings or humanitarianism, he's misguided. Does he run his business to help others or feel good? Probably not, I suspect he does it to earn a living, perhaps the same as Bo. (That's called being in it for the money.) With that said, they both have to be good businessmen to keep their businesses viable.
I doubt Jimmy would pay $9000 for someone else to do something he could do himself for say, half that. To expect Bo to do so is unreasonable, especially since he has no liability at all. A word of perhaps unwelcome advice to Jimmy: when you want something from someone who has no obligation to give it to you, DON'T call him a f**king a**hole. File my advice in the circular file if it's of no value to you.
Now that cooler heads hopefully prevail, I think an apology to Bo for swearing at him might be in order. Swearing is almost never justified and is hurtful to all. I believe you'll find an advocate in Bo if you can get by this.
BTW, thanks for the intro to Sportfisherman.com! This looks like a great site and I will enjoy being a member.

[Cardinal Joe]

Jimmy – it does sound like you, as posted above, but that is not a bad thing, you just stated it , as you see it, and yes you are a little bit of a Hot Head, but again this is what we Love about you on SFC! PS – if I didn’t have a full staff of mechanic’s at Cardinal Yachts, I would personally use you to fix my boat if I had a problem or issue , , you are a Rebel and you have a cause, Protect & Help the Customer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents ! Cardinal Joe

[MONSTANOREASTA]

This is a very nice site with alot of really great guys that I see from other sites I post on !
I dont normally like to jump in with both feet first when it comes to 1st posts, but I felt compelled on this one because as a Shamrock owner, I think there seems to be alot of unfair bashing of late, of the Brand.
Let me say 2 things here and then I want to repost what I put up on the Shamrock owners site because for me it says it best. First off, up until this particular Hull problem, I have only heard nothing but glowing comments over the years from Jimmy about Shamrock boats and their quality.To that end I dont agree with his handling of posting it all over the net about his arguments with Bo Palmer
Second, I think it is really important to note virtually no one, on this site and others ,will argue that this hull looks to be poorly constructed. In fact most agree that this Specific hull has real problems, but be clear, it was the PREVIOUS manufacturers (KCS) hull.

My post from the Shamrock owners forum

"I agree this KCS hull has problems.

I also Agree that really isnt Bo's fault, and certainly doesnt NEED to be his problem , so anything he does for the customer is PURE goodwill.

I like alot of what Jim has to say, and I appreciate alot of the input he has put into this forum (as well as others ) I also appreciate that he was respectful in asking before posting on here.........

But, with all due respect to Jimmy, to post his dirty laundry with Bo ALL OVER the internet, simply isnt fair. Bo has had a long and proven reputation for stepping up to the plate and doing the right thing. Posting pictures to educate and warn others about a substandard boat is helpful, airing his unhappiness with Bo is not. While I can appreciate that Jimmy is trying to do right by the customer, I would say that posting publicly with a vengeance isnt at all helpful to the customer.

I think it would be wise for Jimmy to simply post the facts about the BOAT, and only the boat, and keep some of the arguing with Bo OFF the net until its resolved. I find it educational to see KCS's mistakes, and it will give me and others the heads up to keep an eye on our KCS hulls, but I can do without all the slinging of $hit about a Bo Palmer and his staff. I have found them all to be straight forward and honest in my dealings with them...........Even though I own a KCS product.
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[Henrique38]

Originally Posted by jawz12

and,yes i did call you a "f" ing a$$hole,and i did state the boat was a piece of $hit,.

Well, I guess that pretty much sets the tone.

[JAYBIRD]

I'll start off with saying I do not own a boat. I don't know either Jimmy or anyone else involved. No matter how he did it, at least jimmy is getting answers now for his customer, where most other people would take the easy route and wash their hands of it.

[Questsportfishing]

Jim did ask me at one point if I had ever seen de-lam on a shamrock a while ago.. I told him of one I had the 'experience' of re-building ... the boat had a 351 ford inboard engine with a bw tranny , nice looking boat and the owner told me 'something' is not right when he is in chop or heavy seas. well I got to look around a bunch and seen that the starboard side stringer was the same it was de-lamed because it was never lam'ed in the first place. we pulled the engine and tranny out and ground out tabbing (that is all there was on the inside of the stringer!) had to take a belt sander element and pass it back n forth like 300 times with gloves on..<~~ that is soo much fun! I do it also to the 28' bertrams if the inner liners are coming unglued so all boats have problems! we vaccum bagged up the hull and stringer joint and glassed in the stringer properly. the man paid me and still owns the boat. when a man or company buys a biz. there sometimes is a frund set aside for any warrantee work and THIS all hinges on how the company was bought and structured. Having to 'deal' with a 'bad boat' can hurt you in the end and it seems to me that Jim does some proper work on what he touches so I am sure the job will be done right. and just my thought but unless you are useing a tilt trailer to haul your boat and you have to load a small boat in skinny water you should not be using rollers anyway! <~~~ just my 2 cents ...it lets the boat move! and as for cussing ...no some of us should not do it .. but when you are frustrated with something that should have never happened in the boat plant and now you get to figure out 'how' to fix it , it can be very frustrating! communication is the best and I do hope all this works out to the best. And Jimmy why is there so many scrathes and different colors of pant and 5200 on your drill??? someone get him a new one for Christmas!

[marc2061]

Originally Posted by jawz12

the nida core relies on the glass on top of it to work like an "I" beam...now,that piece i took the picture of,you can walk on that and crush it...doubt me...come on over and i'll show you...nida core isn't structual,it holds a shape...it's really not for load bearing...that bulkhead there is load bearing...

If nida core is not a structural component, then a lot of us are in trouble, Including myself with a very expensive custom built by composite yachts 4 years ago. My stringers are in fact nida core as are my bulkheads. I believe nida core rep was at composite durring the construction of my boat providing assisstance with the use of their products which were used extensively in the construction. Like anything, I'm sure it must be used the way it was designed to be used.

[bac jr]

It is unfortunate and less than professional for the parties involved to get in a grudge match on a online forum. No different with the Contender Warranty thread as it isn't beneficial to the product or people involved. When it becomes a he/she or manufacture said event things have a way of getting out of context.

[jawz12]

Originally Posted by MONSTANOREASTA

This is a very nice site with alot of really great guys that I see from other sites I post on !
I dont normally like to jump in with both feet first when it comes to 1st posts, but I felt compelled on this one because as a Shamrock owner, I think there seems to be alot of unfair bashing of late, of the Brand.
Let me say 2 things here and then I want to repost what I put up on the Shamrock owners site because for me it says it best. First off, up until this particular Hull problem, I have only heard nothing but glowing comments over the years from Jimmy about Shamrock boats and their quality.To that end I dont agree with his handling of posting it all over the net about his arguments with Bo Palmer
Second, I think it is really important to note virtually no one, on this site and others ,will argue that this hull looks to be poorly constructed. In fact most agree that this Specific hull has real problems, but be clear, it was the PREVIOUS manufacturers (KCS) hull.

My post from the Shamrock owners forum

"I agree this KCS hull has problems.

I also Agree that really isnt Bo's fault, and certainly doesnt NEED to be his problem , so anything he does for the customer is PURE goodwill.

I like alot of what Jim has to say, and I appreciate alot of the input he has put into this forum (as well as others ) I also appreciate that he was respectful in asking before posting on here.........

But, with all due respect to Jimmy, to post his dirty laundry with Bo ALL OVER the internet, simply isnt fair. Bo has had a long and proven reputation for stepping up to the plate and doing the right thing. Posting pictures to educate and warn others about a substandard boat is helpful, airing his unhappiness with Bo is not. While I can appreciate that Jimmy is trying to do right by the customer, I would say that posting publicly with a vengeance isnt at all helpful to the customer.

I think it would be wise for Jimmy to simply post the facts about the BOAT, and only the boat, and keep some of the arguing with Bo OFF the net until its resolved. I find it educational to see KCS's mistakes, and it will give me and others the heads up to keep an eye on our KCS hulls, but I can do without all the slinging of $hit about a Bo Palmer and his staff. I have found them all to be straight forward and honest in my dealings with them...........Even though I own a KCS product.
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you're absolutley correct,i've never given anbad opinion of a shamrock-ever...trust me,i tried to work this out with bo,he's an unreasonable man,anyone who states something different is not telling the whole story...why has no one else asked the question..."why wait 2 to 3 months for a decision"??? if you had a new car and took it to the dealer,would you accept a "we need 2 to 3 months for a decision"???
the only reason i pushed this,is due tot he fact i was specifically told by employees of bladen composites that dan,the plant manager would be handling this,and he would take care of this,everyone has missed this point..i pushed the issue due to the fact,i was pushed aside and given a run around,by all parties...including bo palmer !!! again,offer still stands,bo,you can arange trasnsport of the boat to the factory,for repair...i asked that earlier today,funny still no answer...that shows what he's made of,not much,not much at all...