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iguana1 · 04-07-2008, 02:43 PM

Fortunate One

Your boat looks absolutely awesome. When will it be done?

marlineer · 04-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Well said Iguana. I do not know much about wood boat building, but it seems as though Cheeks knows alot more than most. I for one, appreciate the opposing opinions and am eager to learn more.

Fortunate One · 04-07-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iguana1

Fortunate One

Your boat looks absolutely awesome. When will it be done?

Well if the wood doesn't separate from itself and totally self destruct, we're hoping to sea trial in the late fall.

fishskipper · 04-07-2008, 04:00 PM

Ok, this is my last post on this..... and Iguana I agree with you on movement, but heres the other side.. You take a planked boat and glass her, guess what? No more movement... You take a planked boat and laminate plywood to it and then glass over that and you have a strong superstructure... there is no way for it to move. Its no different than plywood over plywood.. take Ritchie Howells boats, its three layers of plywood laminated together in different angles to each other.... Just looked at the new Canyon Runner.....Drool Drool ... what a beautiful rig thats gonna be!!!! Anyhow Mr. Cheeks may be the best thing that ever happened to boat building, but I personally don't think its right to bash some of the best boat builders on the east coast... I would still like to know where his expertise comes from as others have asked with no answer? If he is an authority on the subject, he should not be afraid to let people know! Making accusations is easy, but backing them is the hard part. I certainly don't know all about building boats and I'm open minded enough to learn something new, but don't just tell me its not a good idea or its not smart or its ignorant with out facts to back it up!

iguana1 · 04-07-2008, 05:05 PM

Fishskipper,

I think Cheeks must work for a builder hence the 'sanding boards' comment. My guess would be that he works for a serious, old school craftsman type that would not appreciate his name/brand being tossed around on the internet.

I agree that in theory the multiple layers (plank, ply, glass) sounds like a really good composite. I just don't understand how it accomodates movement well, or if maybe it does not move - i.e. the glass tensile strength keeps the wood from moving, the amount of moisture getting through combined with the junipers low expansion is irrelevant, or there is enough elasticity to accomodate. I also have no idea how many boats are buil this way.

I do not have first hand expertise on planked boats being glass and am curious as to how that would work. I have heard of some type 5200 process being used to restore planked hulls and I thought this was to accomodate movement. It would be interesting to hear what cheeks says about this, perhaps it only works with the strip built hulls?

Fortunate One,

Good luck with the launch. Did not mean to imply that your boat was unsound. Just trying to learn a little.

In general this discussion does make me wonder why you wouldn't just do the whole thing out of plywood (other than it wouldn't look like F1s boat)

cheeks · 04-07-2008, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishskipper

You take a planked boat and glass her, guess what? No more movement...

Incorrect.

cheeks · 04-07-2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishskipper

You take a planked boat and laminate plywood to it and then glass over that and you have a strong superstructure...

Correct.

cheeks · 04-07-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishskipper

Its no different than plywood over plywood.

It is very different. Attaching dimesionally stable lumber to unstable lumber with a nonflexible adhesive is a big no no.

cheeks · 04-07-2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishskipper

Anyhow Mr. Cheeks may be the best thing that ever happened to boat building

Lol. No definetly not. There are guys that know alot more than me.

bac jr · 04-07-2008, 06:28 PM

This is just a matter of opinion of construction method or if it was truly a unacceptable process with in the industry, Paul Mann Boats wouldn't sell.

Just as with fiberglass boats where I'm involved, many debate which is better, best or just plain junk as for materials and method of lay up.

It is unfortunate that people, some usually without a clue will create such negativity towards a post that is put up for people to review. Maybe someone needs to go Paul Mann's yard and tell them their hulls are junk and explain why.

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04-07-2008, 04:00 PM	#64
fishskipper I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kill Devil Hills ,N.C. Posts: 1,175 Credits: 1,692.4 Boat: Custom Carolina Home Port: Oregon Inlet,N.C. Best Catch: Still Looking Occupation: Charter Capt.	Ok, this is my last post on this..... and Iguana I agree with you on movement, but heres the other side.. You take a planked boat and glass her, guess what? No more movement... You take a planked boat and laminate plywood to it and then glass over that and you have a strong superstructure... there is no way for it to move. Its no different than plywood over plywood.. take Ritchie Howells boats, its three layers of plywood laminated together in different angles to each other.... Just looked at the new Canyon Runner.....Drool Drool ... what a beautiful rig thats gonna be!!!! Anyhow Mr. Cheeks may be the best thing that ever happened to boat building, but I personally don't think its right to bash some of the best boat builders on the east coast... I would still like to know where his expertise comes from as others have asked with no answer? If he is an authority on the subject, he should not be afraid to let people know! Making accusations is easy, but backing them is the hard part. I certainly don't know all about building boats and I'm open minded enough to learn something new, but don't just tell me its not a good idea or its not smart or its ignorant with out facts to back it up! __________________ Capt. Ron NOW BOOKING HALF DAYS..3/4 DAYS AND ALL DAY FISHING TRIPS OUT OF PIRATES COVE, N.C. www.littlejeanniesportfishng.com Last edited by fishskipper; 04-07-2008 at 04:04 PM.

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04-07-2008, 02:43 PM	#61
iguana1 Stop staring at my Avatar. Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 394 Credits: 1,712.5	Fortunate One Your boat looks absolutely awesome. When will it be done?

04-07-2008, 05:05 PM	#65
iguana1 Stop staring at my Avatar. Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 394 Credits: 1,712.5	Fishskipper, I think Cheeks must work for a builder hence the 'sanding boards' comment. My guess would be that he works for a serious, old school craftsman type that would not appreciate his name/brand being tossed around on the internet. I agree that in theory the multiple layers (plank, ply, glass) sounds like a really good composite. I just don't understand how it accomodates movement well, or if maybe it does not move - i.e. the glass tensile strength keeps the wood from moving, the amount of moisture getting through combined with the junipers low expansion is irrelevant, or there is enough elasticity to accomodate. I also have no idea how many boats are buil this way. I do not have first hand expertise on planked boats being glass and am curious as to how that would work. I have heard of some type 5200 process being used to restore planked hulls and I thought this was to accomodate movement. It would be interesting to hear what cheeks says about this, perhaps it only works with the strip built hulls? Fortunate One, Good luck with the launch. Did not mean to imply that your boat was unsound. Just trying to learn a little. In general this discussion does make me wonder why you wouldn't just do the whole thing out of plywood (other than it wouldn't look like F1s boat)

04-07-2008, 06:28 PM	#70
bac jr Pit Monkey First Class Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: northeast Posts: 20 Credits: 1,220.9 Occupation: boat industry	This is just a matter of opinion of construction method or if it was truly a unacceptable process with in the industry, Paul Mann Boats wouldn't sell. Just as with fiberglass boats where I'm involved, many debate which is better, best or just plain junk as for materials and method of lay up. It is unfortunate that people, some usually without a clue will create such negativity towards a post that is put up for people to review. Maybe someone needs to go Paul Mann's yard and tell them their hulls are junk and explain why.