Custom Paul Mann

[fishskipper]

Exactly Fortunate One. .....and what is plywood, but a laminate itself.

[cheeks]

Originally Posted by Fortunate One

Cheeks -

Perhaps you should pick up: The 4th edition of "The Gourgeon Brothers On Boat Construction Wood And West System Materials" and read chapter 20 entitled "The Strip Plank Method for Laminating and Strip Composite Construction."

If I may:
Chapter 20 Paragraph 1

The strip plank method for laminating hulls is a cross between the mold method and traditional strip planking techniques. Mold frames are set up and solidly planked, usually with edge glued strips of softwood. The set up is then covered with layers of plywood veneer. The strip planks become the interior lamination of the finished hull. When construction is finished, temporary frames are removed. The rigid, monococcque structures which can be built with these methods require substantially less interior framing than other types of wooden boats."

Although that chapter refers to installing diagonal layers of plywood strips over a planked hull. Elsewhere in the book I'm sure I've read where it is OK to use larger sheets of plywood as a preferred method to save time.

Chapter 17 Laminated Hulls - A General Discussion Page 145
THE STRIP PLANK METHOD

" Because of the expense of the mold and the labor needed to install interior members, it's often hard to justify the use of the mold method on larger one -off hulls. To get around these extra costs, we thought about using the mold as part of the hull, and from this developed the strip plank method of laminating. Most molds are strip planked anyway; with this technique, the planking becomes part of the structure and does not remain part of the mold. Strip planking is efficient and economical for bigger custom boats.


I'm sure Mr. Gougeon knows of what he writes.

The Gougeon brothers do know what they are talking about.

STRIP PLANKING IS NOT THE SAME AS CARVEL.

Strip planking use thin quater sawn strips edge fastened. They are totaly differrent techniques. Strip boats are built upside down on a jig.

[cheeks]

Originally Posted by fishskipper

Exactly Fortunate One. .....and what is plywood, but a laminate itself.

Yes! it is!

[Phat Mann]

"Mann" this site moves fast! Sure glad I joined this site in time to defend one Hell of a boat, boat builder, and family of owners, including, repeat owners.

Yes that 76' is the replacement of the old Anne Warwick. They were docked next to us at Pirates Cove NC.
I am pretty sure they will be docked in the new slips across from the slip the Anne Warwick was in at PC. She may be in water by June, I think? This is a georgious boat and her Captain has kept a very close eye on how he wanted her outfitted. Great people.

The 81 footer will be awsome as well. No telling where she will be kept permanently but it will be one heck of a vessel. Maybe Pirates Cove as well since that's where their current boat and capt are.

I am not a boat builder but a custom homebuilder. I did a lot of research on custom boat builders before choosing Paul Mann to build our "Phat Mann."
I wanted this Mann with 20 + yrs experience building Plank on frame boats.

Oh there are many ways to build a boat, and those guys in Dare Co NC are some of the best. I chose Paul Mann (and his wife Robbin) for a number of reasons, honesty, financial reputation from local banking institions, history of tourney wins by his boats and most of all references from his family of satisfied customers!

Fin Gaddy, had a new 60 footer, then bought Pauls very first Hull, refurbished it, fished it last year and continues to fish it while he waits for his third PM scheduled for const to begin this June. Guys like Arch on the Pelican, Walt on the Hunter, Butch on the Prime time, Elson on the Outer Limits, Jim on the Hog Wild....all who run theses boats day in and day out from the roughest port on the East Coast all swear by their PM boats.

These boats not only handle the seas but raise fish and win tourneys. I don't know of many boats that can handle 6' head to seas at 35 kts. It seems the faster we go, the better she digs in.

In our second full year, our Paul Mann Boat took fisrt in Ma500, third place angler and 8th place boat in WMO, 2 nd place in Dare Co boat Builders Challenge, and was tied for 2nd in Pirates Cove Billfish on last day till two whopper Blue ones nocked a bunch of us out of competition.

The capt of the Dream Catcher tod me the story about the first time they "hit" something and made it back in time to be hauled out. He sounded quite impressed with his PM boat then. I can't speak to the second incedent.

I love my PM and would reccomemd this boat builder to anyone who wants a hell of a boat, that holds their value, and wins tourneys.

Love those flat line bites.

[fishskipper]

Originally Posted by cheeks

I have no idea what happened to Dream Catcher. I have never seen the boat nor do I know how she was built.

The problem with delamination is modern adhesives form joints that are much stronger than the wood itself. The joint itself does not fail the wood around it fails. So when in this case the plywood delamites it could take alot of juniper with it.

If you want so see this for yourself, get a piece of 1 by 3 lumber and put a 10to 1 scarf in it and glue it together. The next day put one end in a vice and pull on the other until something breaks. You will see what I mean.

I understand what you are saying and I know that modern day adhesives are stronger than wood. I agree with that, but that same adhesive is used when laminating the plywood to the juniper. You also need to remember that there is a skin of fiberglass cloth on the out side also using the same modern day adhesive. This process is what makes this a super strong structure. More so than say just fiberglassing over one layer of juniper. Are you saying that it delaminates in the middle of the wood versus the seam? Doesn't make sense to me!

[Fortunate One]

Originally Posted by cheeks

The Gougeon brothers do know what they are talking about.

STRIP PLANKING IS NOT THE SAME AS CARVEL.

Strip planking use thin quater sawn strips edge fastened. They are totaly differrent techniques. Strip boats are built upside down on a jig.

I was only pointing out that my boat is Carvel Planked and by the way I'm in agreement that it takes craftsmen to carvel plank a boat.

Strip planking is much easier.

[cheeks]

Originally Posted by fishskipper

Are you saying that it delaminates in the middle of the wood versus the seam? Doesn't make sense to me!

What I am saying is the joint it self will not fail. The wood around it fails and is ripped away with the joint.

[cheeks]

Originally Posted by Fortunate One

I was only pointing out that my boat is Carvel Planked and by the way I'm in agreement that it takes craftsmen to carvel plank a boat.

Strip planking is much easier.

If you were going to veneer it why not strip it. Why go through all the trouble?

[fishskipper]

Originally Posted by cheeks

What I am saying is the joint it self will not fail. The wood around it fails and is ripped away with the joint.

This makes no sense with a hull that is totally encapsulated!! If it were just bare wood with glued seams , I could see what you mean. There are no instances that this has happened...

[cheeks]

Originally Posted by fishskipper

This makes no sense with a hull that is totally encapsulated!!

Epoxy is semipermiable. All of them, CPD, MAS, WEST, System Three, etc. The moisture content WILL CHANGE.

You cannot ignore the physical properties of Wood or Epoxy if you are going to use them.