Center Console for NE Canyons- best speed/ride combo?

[Flatdog]

Originally Posted by wah who

The 37' Strike WA is built out of the 37' Orca molds. Kenny modified the shear and is building it as a W/A instead of an express. It's a great ruff water hull, for some reason though the ones he build are quite power hungry.

Could that be a weight problem that they are over built if you get my drift heavy boat needs power, hence the sea keeping? Do you know how far down the line the 44 is?

[LuckyLady]

Originally Posted by tunatango123

Mary how can that be! are you telling be you dont like the lines of the boat???

hope you are fairing well with the broken wing and taking it easy.

Billy don't get me wrong they are very pretty boats, loved by many. I just like straight lines. Remember its not all about looks

Fairing pretty well, hurts like no tmrw.

[sportfishingusa]

I am a big lover of ccs and have fished smaller ones all over the ne as well as down in florida.. they are sweet but i believe they are truly left for warmer waters and weather as every says.. they can get wet which is inevitable but all boats are wet just laid out differently so you dont feel it like a flybridge with full encolsure, or a enclosed bridge... just enclosed and you will still take it in the windshield every now and again..

my biggest problem hands down with canyon fishing ccs is not only the complete exposure to elements, and picking your days, but my main thig is cockpit space..

you can go and take a ride on a 35 contender express and you can not fit more than 3 people in the cockpit at one time.. yeah ou can cram them.. but not comfortably..

anything you but as a cc is mean to FISH AROUND.. if you plan on sitting in the stern then dont buy a cc.

i dont think there is a cc on the market with a big cockpit..

now i know i know everyone says you fight fish from the bow which is all fine and dandy.. but how many rods can you troll?!?

i just dont really like the complete amenities of the cc or the big cuddys and i also done like the amount of space they offer.

i have been looking to buy one and my main buy would be a southport or a world cat.. stuck between the two..

but i am not buying it for the offshore canyons.. i am buying it for inshore fishing and for the fact that ic an trailer is anywhere and bring it florida where i can run offshore if i need to in warm weather or sailfish 1 mile of the beach in miami!!

[LuckyLady]

Originally Posted by dealmaker

Thanks for the input. There are really a lot of choices and it seems that I need to spend some time at an inwater boat show and get out to ride on my top choices.

Lucky Lady- I hope you are recovering well.

Sounds like there is no one clear choice. Once I decide the boat, then there is the question about motors......lots of debate there too.

Thanks so far so good!

With your engine choices be sure to take a look around your port and see who can service them especially with Verado and Etec. These are not your simple outboard engines anymore they require correct diagnostics software and specially trained mechanics for them. It can be your worst nightmare ever being stuck with someone that does not know what they are doing. Just because they are dealers does not mean they know what they are touching or have attended schooling to do so. Different areas are scarce for certain dealers.

When you go in to an engine booth at a show ask to speak with a factory tech reps not sales. Ask them who they would recommend to take it to in your area. Be sure to tell them your willing to travel for the best even tho you might not be. Tech reps normally know the mechanics and the dealers certifications and abilities. They should be able to give you specific names rather than we have 30 dealers or any of them are good.

Just be sure to do you homework on all sides. What ever you do don't let someone talk you in to the Mercury XS racing. They run fast and well but don't hold up over time in my opinion. In Nascar they rebuild/replace every engine after every race, these motors are just as temperamental.

Best of the best in your search!

[wah who]

Originally Posted by Flatdog

Could that be a weight problem that they are over built if you get my drift heavy boat needs power, hence the sea keeping? Do you know how far down the line the 44 is?

Flat,

I actually believe that the power issue may be because they moved the engines forward a little bit from where they were on the original boats. IDK for sure, just what I have heard from a few people more in the know than I am.

The 44' is based of the the 42' The Fischer had designed when he owned Rybo to be a larger version of the Rybo Runner. As far as I know Rybo never built any. At some point Kenny had the molds for a little bit, he built a boat & made a new mold. This mold ended up over at Yellowfin & Tides for a while. I believe that Cal who designed the boat now has the molds.

As for Kenny doing a WA version of the 44' I know that he has talked about doing it for a while. I think he's waiting for someone to give him an order & some money before he does it. If you are looking at having one built do yourself a favor and test ride the express. The one I rode in had to much weight forward, they had to make some crazy modifications to make the boat run and it was just a band aid. The WA version would give them an oppertunity to distribute the weight properly.

I'm hope I'm not coming off as bashing or anything like that. Just trying to make sure that you know some background on it.

[LuckyLady]

Originally Posted by sportfishingusa

I am a big lover of ccs and have fished smaller ones all over the ne as well as down in florida.. they are sweet but i believe they are truly left for warmer waters and weather as every says.. they can get wet which is inevitable but all boats are wet just laid out differently so you dont feel it like a flybridge with full encolsure, or a enclosed bridge... just enclosed and you will still take it in the windshield every now and again..

my biggest problem hands down with canyon fishing ccs is not only the complete exposure to elements, and picking your days, but my main thig is cockpit space..

you can go and take a ride on a 35 contender express and you can not fit more than 3 people in the cockpit at one time.. yeah ou can cram them.. but not comfortably..

anything you but as a cc is mean to FISH AROUND.. if you plan on sitting in the stern then dont buy a cc.

i dont think there is a cc on the market with a big cockpit..

now i know i know everyone says you fight fish from the bow which is all fine and dandy.. but how many rods can you troll?!?

i just dont really like the complete amenities of the cc or the big cuddys and i also done like the amount of space they offer.

i have been looking to buy one and my main buy would be a southport or a world cat.. stuck between the two..

but i am not buying it for the offshore canyons.. i am buying it for inshore fishing and for the fact that ic an trailer is anywhere and bring it florida where i can run offshore if i need to in warm weather or sailfish 1 mile of the beach in miami!!

Being that we have been fishing a 35 for the past few months its a bit different that that. Its clear as day...me at the helm keeping the fish at the side of the boat, 1 angler hooked up strb side, with 1 guy on each side of the angler. Then 2 more behind them. Total crew 7, Boated 94lb BFT

As far as cockpit space in general in any of the players in the game they have ample space and goes down with size and leaning post.

Just about any of the boats out there can run a good spread. On a 33t for trolling 6 rocket launchers across the top, 2 King Fish Rod Holders, outriggers, center rigger, 1 shotgun or a 4-6 rack across the transom, Leaning post 4-8 rocket launchers, 8 gunnel mount rod holders leaning post to aft.

Specificaly on the 36FA we are able to run 14 trolling rods. In some of the pics you can just about count the rods. http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/...asa-16477.html

http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/...asa-15589.html

[sportfishingusa]

Originally Posted by LuckyLady

Being that we have been fishing a 35 for the past few months its a bit different that that. Its clear as day...me at the helm keeping the fish at the side of the boat, 1 angler hooked up strb side, with 1 guy on each side of the angler. Then 2 more behind them. Total crew 7, Boated 94lb BFT

As far as cockpit space in general in any of the players in the game they have ample space and goes down with size and leaning post.

Just about any of the boats out there can run a good spread. On a 33t for trolling 6 rocket launchers across the top, 2 King Fish Rod Holders, outriggers, center rigger, 1 shotgun or a 4-6 rack across the transom, Leaning post 4-8 rocket launchers, 8 gunnel mount rod holders leaning post to aft.

Specificaly on the 36FA we are able to run 14 trolling rods. In some of the pics you can just about count the rods. http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/...asa-16477.html

http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/...asa-15589.html

with an 8'6 or 9' beam you are not going to be using to many of those rocket launcher or the leaning post.. and def not those and the transom ones all together..
it would work i am sure.. but i dont want ot have to jump to grab a rod from the t top and try to get it out when a 200lb big eye or bft comes up and slammed it...

we are talking offshore here. not 40lb bass. big difference in the use of a boat..

[tunatango123]

Vinny that is your opinion and clearly you have not spent that much time on a center console. I troll 9 to 11 rods in the spread and could add more if I wanted to. None of which are in the Ttop. If you have the boat layed out correctly it can be done. I have 18 rod holders inside the boat meaning when I clear the rods while fighting a fish there are no rods in the way to fight a fish. I have seen diesel boats that cant troll more than 6 rods becuase there are no rod holders on the boat, and forget about chunking with the 2 standard factory rod holders. I have 32 gunnel mounted rod holders that I can chunk out of. Get on the right boat and it makes a big difference.

[sportfishingusa]

Originally Posted by tunatango123

Vinny that is your opinion and clearly you have not spent that much time on a center console. I troll 9 to 11 rods in the spread and could add more if I wanted to. None of which are in the Ttop. If you have the boat layed out correctly it can be done. I have 18 rod holders inside the boat meaning when I clear the rods while fighting a fish there are no rods in the way to fight a fish. I have seen diesel boats that cant troll more than 6 rods becuase there are no rod holders on the boat, and forget about chunking with the 2 standard factory rod holders. I have 32 gunnel mounted rod holders that I can chunk out of. Get on the right boat and it makes a big difference.

I am truly speaking of specific boats.. i have been on yellowfins and i have been on contenders, also have been on the venture, bigger prolines, sea vees and the alike..

if the boat is done the right way you are correct.. thats what i am talking about..

you got the right boat with the right set up.. i love the rod holders all the way around.

i am specifically talking about spending a ton of money on an offshore cc for just fuel economy..there is a lot more to them and specifications done from the factory i am guessing would cost an arm and a leg..

i fish on a 35 proline express and i have been on a 35 contender express. the difference in cockpit space is unbelievable..

now i would deck my out just like you man.. the rod holders all around...

but what i am saying is factory these boats are not built like yours...

mary stated you have so many rod holders in the t top, king fish holders, leaning post rod holders, and also transoms..

well like you said.. you dont have to use any of those.. some of them are ok.. but if you get a factory boat cc and have 4 gunnel mounts, you can run 4 rods from there, 2 rods from the transom and one or two shotguns.. now that is 8 rods which is a good spread.. but i just dont think without the proper modification to the big cc's like everyone does than they are not all they are cracked up to be expecially for someone to downsize from a 38 viking into one.

it i just my opinion like you said.. i have been on them, fished on them, trolled on them, chunked up them and i do enjoy them just dont really like the space of specifcs kinds of boats re:contender, venture,regulator.. unless you get into the big dogs like the 32+ regs which have some room and like yours the yellowfin.

man i love yellowfins.. been drooling over one for a while now. lol

[venture34]

Originally Posted by flatbottom

this baby is forsale

CC, walk around, express all wrapped in a soft ride

F & S 45 WALK AROUND

$1.5mm for a 43 Express without POD drives is entirely too much $$$ F&S makes a killer ride but that price is way out of line in this environment..

I love my Venture 34 (I couldn't be happier with the quality, functionality, and ride), but I pick my days running offshore - its just too far to run when the weather is borderline. After running CC's (Contender previous) to the Northeast canyons for the past 10 years or so I am looking to go the opposite of you. (getting soft I guess) As you know its tough to find something that is both economical to run, and easy to maintain with some speed to cover the distances in a reasonable amount of time.

I am looking cold molded 37-44 with new pod drives or traditional drives with Cummins power in the next year or 2... Good luck with your search, Luckylady made some real good observations as did the others..