calyber boatworks?

[Capt-D]

can someone explain the warped Hull design. And at what point does weight, 11 degree dead-rise and length/width all work in unison? Many like the design and looks. Me included. Many also have been on more boats than I will ever ride on. What will make all this work and who builds it? What are working numbers?

Flat ,

I like where this is discussion is going. Since a child I have always been enamored with custom boats and the various looks of customs including the Carolina flair. I have also been fascinated in hull designs and the ability, or inability for that matter, of boat manufactures and navel architects to find the perfect balance between stability and performance underway vs stability at anchor of adrift.

Take a look at the Simmons sea skiff. Those in the southern obx can probably speak better of this then I , but this boats hull is impressive accommodating for its light weight. From the 1950s to the 1970s T.N. Simmons designed and built 1000 or so V bottom 18', 20', and 22' sea skiffs These skiffs had a slight hook to aft with a slight transom deadrise. The purpose of the hook was meant to soften the ride in a chop. These boats among other things were meant to be fast (for the times 30 mph with a 25 hp outboard) , economical fishing boats able to transit the North Carolina inlets safely. Reportedly many of the Simmons 20 and 22 foot boats spent time alot of time offshore.

Yet hulls with that kind of hook in today larger faster boats would not translate well. The hook on a heavier and faster boat would cause the bow to be forced down and could also cause a bobbing affect.

I guess there is a reason there is no perfect hull design for all sea conditions, activities and uses.

[TROPHY SPORTFISHING]

these boats were built about 3 miles from my house. there are still a few of them around this area many guys used them for commercial fishing and shrimping the majority of them had wells and were outboard powered. i've been on a few of them and they rode well in a small chop but were never meant to be an offshore ride. as i said previously in this thread i've fished a good number of carolina built sf and a lot of production boats as well and can say that a large boat can compromise less deadrise aft than a smaller boat just because of the shear length factor however they must still carry the deadrise from the bow aft to a moderatly decreasing deadrise mid ship to atleast under the engine room. on the older carolina boats the sharpest deadrise was always on the bow the business end of things and at 20-26 kts. you were able to keep the business end in the water with some tabs. however on alot of the newer age carolina boats spencers, bayliss, briggs, and others this is not so realistic when running at 30 kts. or more now the deadrise must stay sharp even farther back and be increased at the transom from the 6-10 deg. that was usually seen on older boats some even had 2-6 deg. most now are 8-15 deg. but the bow is not in the water at 30-35 kts. note that even tabbed down it's more like around the forward spring line cleat. applied concepts does alot of the bottom design for these new carolina boats they use what is called a delta conic bottom this greatly improves the ride at high speeds in big seas that is why most carolina boats with an older bottom design don't do well at higher speeds they are simply exceeding there hull design. hope this has been some what helpful. just remember the faster they go the more boat gets out of the water thats where the rear deadrise comes into play.

[fishskipper]

Trophy, I think you hit the nail on the head. Its basicaly what kind of seas your going to be running in. Sharp deadrise makes for a roly poly platform to fish on, like the bertrams. Nice boats but roly poly. I think this thread has gotten to production Versus custom boats. I've run the production boats , 55 ocean, 44 henriques,vikings,eggs, pursuits etc. and I've run the customs, 60 Taylor, 53 Johnson,50 buddy Harris, 30 Scarborough and now the old Temptress built in 1971 by Sheldon Midgett.Some plow, some cut, some are fast, some are slow. Over time the speed has really increased, and your right most days the bow is out of the water. But on those rough ass days, when the bow slams in to a big swell the newer boats seen to feather right in, where the older boats somewhat slam and turn in to the swell. The Calyber boat is designed along those same lines to feather in on rough days as well as give you a smooth ride and wth the flatter stern give you a stable platform. Buddy Davis also builds a similar rig and Spencer is getting ready to start one up. I'm sure Any builder here can build what you want. Richie Howell, Bobby Croswait, Dean Johnson,Sculley, Horton, Bayliss, Briglia, just to name a few. Calyber is a proven boat thats why I'm so adamant about this rig. But if your going to be in flat calm water about any boat will do.
Diesels versus outboards. Well I have to say I love a diesel, but after running
a single 30 ft custom boat, I think it would have been better suited for a outboard. You just don't have the vibration with outboards that you have with a diesel. Anyhow these are my thoughts and I hope everyone has a great and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

[JDLM]

Bryan Robinson is a custom builder in Wilmington NC.He is building me a 25 now.He use to work for some of the builders on Harkers Island before going on his own.I tried to post a couple pic's,but can't figure it out.Anyway,he is still affordable and builds a fine boat.his number is 910 619 4027

[flatbottom]

thanks guys for the response on the ?. Trophy I have taken this in and understand the speed and bow high / vs aft deadrise. Great read. I also see many large CC boats with a express style based on the same hull. Same engine configuration. Has anyone ran both styles from the same manufacture? Does the express run in a more level attitude with out tab vs the bow high in the CC. Which one is the better ride is a similar sea state. thanks flat

[fishskipper]

This was a test run!

[blackwell50]

Blackwell keep us updated on what boat you finally decide on. So I can keep drooling!! Did you get in touch with Bandy?

I have not got in touch yet.I just got back from hunting.

[blackwell50]

I'm relatively new to the forum. By the way, I'm not anti-calyber at all, I just wonder about functionality compared to a normal CC. Excuse me too if yall have already discussed this, but what about one of the used Scarborough CC's listed on yachtworld? Just too old and beaten? I think there's 3-5 Scarborough CC's on there now. Obviously, they're all inboards under the console. I'm guessing this would probably make repowering only a little bit harder than replacing an outboard on a bracket. They need a little work, but the price is right (especially in comparison to the calybers). I think bringing a classic scarborough back to bristol and repowering with a little cummins would be worth the effort, and a hell of a lot cooler than the calyber with outboards. What about a bonadeo, Bradley, gillikin, heritage, shearline, etc... ( i know i'm leaving some out). By the way, doesn't Ocean Master offer thier 31' in a twin inboard diesel version? From what I've heard Mr. Hauptner will build you an Ocean Master as bare or detailed as you want it.

Personally, aside from the aesthetics, I've never understood the appeal of these super-custom center consoles. I guess its a geographical thing (i'm in south florida). Most two boat owners I know beat the hell out of thier center console sword fishing and don't think twice about it. Its not custom, its very replaceable, and its a hell of a lot easier to clean than the teak monster they own; hence why they bought the center console to begin with. I always thought thats why center consoles were mostly outboards; so that you can abuse them and repower them. I realize I'm making these boats sound disposable, but hopefully you see what I mean. The center console is the truck of the boat world; very utilitarian. The Calyber is the Lincoln truck based on the F150. It looks nice, but wouldn't you be afraid to bring it to a jobsite and get it dirty?

Besides, I'd be a little too self-conscious of getting a boat like that messy. With the money you'd spend on a Calyber, I'd much rather buy a used L&H 33, or the 28' Southport Tournament Edition.

just a thought from a new guy.

You have brought up some great ideas.I will check out the Ricky boats on yachtworld.I to am from south florida,but I have had some great experiances with Carolina boats,granted you have to carefeull with them becoase of the great finish work,most fishing trips I spend more time yelling at my friends and cleaning than I do fishing.But I love a boat with some good looking teak on it.

[Bay Fishin]

just posting some pics of what Reid Bandy has built and what he can build. Here are two pics of the 26 and 35. I know you dont like the outboard which the 26 has but this is just for you to get an idea of he can build.

[blackwell50]

I love that.I would go with outboards under the right circumstances.I just like the thought of the motor being in the boat with me.I know an outboard is not going to fall off.Thank you very much for the pics.