Why wind on leader?

[sportfishingusa]

According to the IGFA "there are no regulations regarding the material or strength of the leader material". So really the question is where to does the leader begin. It would begin where the leader material meets the mainline be it single or double.

When double line is used it must be used of the actual line to catch the fish. So a leader would begin when the line other then the mainline is attached to the leader(not including backing -which is a totally different topic). having a swivel in the middle of your leader is not against igfa rules. At least not anywhere I have seen.

BTW - if this isn't the case then every single tournament boat I have ever fished on, observed on or even spoke to is breaking the rules. Including quite a few IGFA reps.

your 100 percent right and the clarification was perfect.. there is no specification on the size of the leader other than the length... anything over 20lb the leader can only be 30 ft plus the double line if used.. if the double line is not used i am pretty sure it can still only be 30 ft..

back and the main line are different and you can have as much as you want but the heavier of the two is the line clasification for any world records or any igfa rules..

you can not have 200lb jerry brown or hollow core with a 130 igfa regulate main line..

[waynofish]

Thanks Squid, Patudo,SF. Maybe someone will understand ya'lls writing more clearly then mine. Mine usually turns into unreadable babble. I think we see there is someone here we don't want to see as an observer (unless he's on another boat ) or our releases will only be counted 6 ft away.

Back to the beginning I hope hass picked up some useful info here. After all, it seems he just wants to make some leaders to go fishin.

[hass]

hass-

After re-reading your question, the answer is YES. You could forego the "wind-on" and just connect to the momoi. The only "problem" with a real short leader is when the big girl comes calling, there is always the risk of her parting the line with her tail as she grayhounds to the horizon. If you are going to use short leaders, I'd advise a top shot of some sort.

Sorry I got carried away with my other responses and didn't address YOUR issue.[/QUOTE]

no problem, its actually ammusing to read the responses, both are valid points, i see and understand both sides of the argument, plain and simple a leader is between the hook and mainline, now with so many new swivels and big rollers on rods, that seems to have changed a little.

help me on this please;
oright so on my 80wide, its spooled with 80# momoi, i have made a windon with 200# dacron and 400# mono.
how long should my 400# section be?
Take for example a black bart breakfast lure, mine have 2 hooks, beads, shrink wrap for stiffening the rig up etc..not something i really can take apart and put back together everytime i want to change it out. so is a windon unnecesary since i have to set up this lure with mono? and how long should that mono leader, on the lure, be? OR should i do away with the double hook set up and just slap on beads a hook and crimp and get after it?

[waynofish]

If going by IGFA regs, the whole setup from the end of the dacron loop to the bend of the hook (hook, swivel, and dacron is included as part of the leader) can't be more then 30ft. For that setup I personally like a 20ft wind on going to a quality ball bearing swivel without a snap. Then I crimp on the trace sections with the asst. lures as necessary which I make at 9' including hook. I like to be a little under for a margin of error. Some like a longer trace with a shorter wind on.

All my heavy wind ons are made at 20ft and all my heavy trace sections are made at 9 ft. Some tourneys, however, throw in a tournament rule allowing a maximum of 25ft for leader (I think the Bisby's is or was one of them). In those cases I cut my wind on's down to 15 ft for everything I may use in that particular tourney so my leaders will be 24ft overall. Once again, that is my way. I've seen others use trace sections for the heavier stuff as short as 6ft and as long as 12 to 15 ft. Longer then that you might as well go "old school" and just have a long 20 - 30ft leader attached to your swivel.

As for single or double hooks, thats a whole new topic with some excellent fishermen on both sides.

[hass]

[If going by IGFA regs, the whole setup from the end of the dacron loop to the bend of the hook (hook, swivel, and dacron is included as part of the leader) can't be more then 30ft. For that setup I personally like a 20ft wind on going to a quality ball bearing swivel without a snap. Then I crimp on the trace sections with the asst. lures as necessary which I make at 9' including hook. I like to be a little under for a margin of error. Some like a longer trace with a shorter wind on.

All my heavy wind ons are made at 20ft and all my heavy trace sections are made at 9 ft. Some tourneys, however, throw in a tournament rule allowing a maximum of 25ft for leader (I think the Bisby's is or was one of them). In those cases I cut my wind on's down to 15 ft for everything I may use in that particular tourney so my leaders will be 24ft overall. Once again, that is my way. I've seen others use trace sections for the heavier stuff as short as 6ft and as long as 12 to 15 ft. Longer then that you might as well go "old school" and just have a long 20 - 30ft leader attached to your swivel.

As for single or double hooks, thats a whole new topic with some excellent fishermen on both sides.[/QUOTE]

thanks for the clarification. i appreciate it.
your trace sections are obviously the same or heavier as your windon, corect? so if i have 200# mono on my windon i need a minimum of that on my lure leader. i just answered my own question.

[Patudo]

oright so on my 80wide, its spooled with 80# momoi, i have made a windon with 200# dacron and 400# mono.
how long should my 400# section be?
Take for example a black bart breakfast lure, mine have 2 hooks, beads, shrink wrap for stiffening the rig up etc..not something i really can take apart and put back together everytime i want to change it out. so is a windon unnecesary since i have to set up this lure with mono? and how long should that mono leader, on the lure, be? OR should i do away with the double hook set up and just slap on beads a hook and crimp and get after it?

Make damn sure your windon is rock solid because you need to be able to totally rely on that piece of gear. Hook the end loop on a cleat, take a couple wraps on the mono and pull as hard as you can.

The section of 400 lb I normally make 22 feet. Each lure, regardless whether it has one or two hooks, will have 7 feet of lure leader. The bitter end of the 22 feet windon is crimped to a heavy duty ball bearing swivel. You can connect the lure leader to the swivel by direct crimping although I prefer a small yacht shackle. Some folks use snap swivels but you need to be very careful with these on heavier tackle as fish have been lost due to the clip opening during the fight.

BTW a Breakfast is a huge lure to pull on 80 pound gear..

[tunatamer4]

According to the IGFA "there are no regulations regarding the material or strength of the leader material". So really the question is where to does the leader begin. It would begin where the leader material meets the mainline be it single or double.

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Thank you Squidnation. You probably said close to what I was attempting to say the best.

There was NO indication in hass's question about IGFA standards and as far as I was concerned, his leader started at the point of his swivel.

It's like if you worked for a company that was forced to cut back on employees and the first to go were a couple of workers. Management was then forced to pick up the slack, but one was still hanging back doing his original job. The others still have the "title" as managers, but are they? No, they're just F-n pee-ons with a "managers" title. Does that make sense?

I am sorry that I may have kinked-up some skirts on this one(refering to lure skirts), and hope there are no hard feelings on anyones side.

Now I'm done.