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Have a few questions about the Braid Marauders. Been using the 10inch and 7 inch Yellowfin and Skipjack versions. While trolling them at 6.5-8.5 knots for a month now and I have had multiple hits and have caught 1 wahoo and about 10 baracudas. The misses seem to be from both species judging by the teeth marks ....anyway I have a few questions about using them...
1. Is it better to use one of these lures in your spread, or run two or three down the middle imitating a school?
2. How far back should they be for optimal results?
3. I have changed out the single hooks on the swivel and replaced them with a 10/0 double hook (caught the wahoo) and also tried using 10/0 trebles (caughting cudas).
4.Can anyone tell me why Braid included a single hook on a swivel instead of the double or trebles? With the single hook I had more misses.
5. Braid suggests using single strand 150# (or larger I think) wire leader instead of using coated multi strand leader with crimps. Any benefits of using either one?
6.Also approximately how long should the leader be? I'm using about 4 feet of leader.
All in all, I am very happy with these lures. They always seem to produce fish. There isn't a day that goes by that they aren't hit. I, like every other fisherman, am just trying to maximize my fishing experience.
Thanks in Advance
AE
Roatan
Have a few questions about the Braid Marauders. Been using the 10inch and 7 inch Yellowfin and Skipjack versions. While trolling them at 6.5-8.5 knots for a month now and I have had multiple hits and have caught 1 wahoo and about 10 baracudas. The misses seem to be from both species judging by the teeth marks ....anyway I have a few questions about using them...
1. Is it better to use one of these lures in your spread, or run two or three down the middle imitating a school? Due to tangle issues, it is very hard to run multiple bonita type lures...Best in the short corner position...However, I have seen them used effectively in the shotgun position by experienced veterens...Some have no clue you can run them in the shotgun position...you do need trolling weights though.
2. How far back should they be for optimal results? Whatever your closest bait is set at...I set my short corner at 100'
3. I have changed out the single hooks on the swivel and replaced them with a 10/0 double hook (caught the wahoo) and also tried using 10/0 trebles (caughting cudas).
4.Can anyone tell me why Braid included a single hook on a swivel instead of the double or trebles? With the single hook I had more misses. Singles will get you more fish in the long run...The doubles do catch fish however, the double hooks create leverage and can work against the other inside the fishes mouth..Thus, causing the hooks to become dislodged.
5. Braid suggests using single strand 150# (or larger I think) wire leader instead of using coated multi strand leader with crimps. Any benefits of using either one? The guys I do know that troll bonita lures, use 480# s.s cable.
6.Also approximately how long should the leader be? I'm using about 4 feet of leader. sounds about right.
On a side note...many anglers have issues with bonita type lures...they do catch fish however, hook up ratio is not all that great on Wahoo.
All in all, I am very happy with these lures. They always seem to produce fish. There isn't a day that goes by that they aren't hit. I, like every other fisherman, am just trying to maximize my fishing experience.
Thanks in Advance
AE
Roatan
Have a few questions about the Braid Marauders. Been using the 10inch and 7 inch Yellowfin and Skipjack versions. While trolling them at 6.5-8.5 knots for a month now and I have had multiple hits and have caught 1 wahoo and about 10 baracudas. The misses seem to be from both species judging by the teeth marks ....anyway I have a few questions about using them...
1. Is it better to use one of these lures in your spread, or run two or three down the middle imitating a school? Due to tangle issues, it is very hard to run multiple bonita type lures...Best in the short corner position...However, I have seen them used effectively in the shotgun position by experienced veterens...Some have no clue you can run them in the shotgun position...you do need trolling weights though. I've been staggering them in threes with the farthest being about 100-120, the middle about 80, and the third about 50 feet back. Haven't had any issues with tangles yet, but I reel two in when turning.
2. How far back should they be for optimal results? Whatever your closest bait is set at...I set my short corner at 100' 100-120 seems about right for the furthest one.
3. I have changed out the single hooks on the swivel and replaced them with a 10/0 double hook (caught the wahoo) and also tried using 10/0 trebles (caughting cudas).
4.Can anyone tell me why Braid included a single hook on a swivel instead of the double or trebles? With the single hook I had more misses. Singles will get you more fish in the long run...The doubles do catch fish however, the double hooks create leverage and can work against the other inside the fishes mouth..Thus, causing the hooks to become dislodged. The cudas seem to be hooking up with the singles better than the hoos. All in all, I've been using them for about 20-30hrs with the one hoo on a double 10/0
5. Braid suggests using single strand 150# (or larger I think) wire leader instead of using coated multi strand leader with crimps. Any benefits of using either one? The guys I do know that troll bonita lures, use 480# s.s cable. the coated multi I'm using is 250lb, but any reason to use single strand over coated?
6.Also approximately how long should the leader be? I'm using about 4 feet of leader. sounds about right.
On a side note...many anglers have issues with bonita type lures...they do catch fish however, hook up ratio is not all that great on Wahoo. what would be your ultimate hoo setup? they are here pretty much all year following 2-10lb tuna blackfin schools
All in all, I am very happy with these lures. They always seem to produce fish. There isn't a day that goes by that they aren't hit. I, like every other fisherman, am just trying to maximize my fishing experience.
Thanks in Advance
AE
Roatan
thanks for the speedy reply....
Last edited by loaferoatan; 07-29-2009 at 08:08 PM.
1. I've been staggering them in threes with the farthest being about 100-120, the middle about 80, and the third about 50 feet back. Haven't had any issues with tangles yet, but I reel two in when turning. Guys have been running them with 2lb trolling sinkers, 15' shock leader and 4' of multistrand lure leader...the trolling sinkers allow one to obtain higher speeds and a wider yet tight spread.
2. 100-120 seems about right for the furthest one.
My buddy throws out a bonita every once and a while...He'll put one on the short corner (100') and one on the second short (150')...His 200', 250' and shot gun are straight running lures in conjunction with trolling sinkers and shock leaders
4.The cudas seem to be hooking up with the singles better than the hoos. All in all, I've been using them for about 20-30hrs with the one hoo on a double 10/0 Give it time...you will see more missed Wahoo with the doubles than you will see with singles...Wahoo shake their heads..stiff double hooks will create diminishing returns on your hook up to boat ratio. Its all about leverage.
5. the coated multi I'm using is 250lb, but any reason to use single strand over coated? I use 480# s.s uncoated multi-strand cable..single strand can kink..And coated cable can be slippery for the wire man.
On a side note...what would be your ultimate hoo setup? they are here pretty much all year following 2-10lb tuna blackfin schools
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1. Is it better to use one of these lures in your spread, or run two or three down the middle imitating a school?
Depends mainly on what species or mix of species you're targeting and which lures are proving to be more productive. If you're trolling for wahoo or tuna you could certainly run more than one for eg. two on the short lines and three jets or skirted lures on the riggers.
2. How far back should they be for optimal results?
Trial and error is normally the best guide but the short lure doesn't need to be too far back, it can be as close as one or two boat lengths. They will often come up quite close to the boat.
4.Can anyone tell me why Braid included a single hook on a swivel instead of the double or trebles? With the single hook I had more misses.
A lot of folks use those lures for big yellowfin tuna and wahoo where the single hook holds better on heavy tackle.
5. Braid suggests using single strand 150# (or larger I think) wire leader instead of using coated multi strand leader with crimps. Any benefits of using either one?
Single strand wire is less visible and cuts through the water very cleanly but more likely to kink. The lighter breaking strains should be replaced quite regularly as they will weaken from trolling fatigue. Multi strand stainless cable is somewhat more durable but must also be checked regularly and replaced if there are any signs of fatigue.
6.Also approximately how long should the leader be? I'm using about 4 feet of leader.
I don't feel that a very long leader is necessary. If the swivel gets too far away from the hooked fish, other fish are more likely to snap at it. I find that most times around 18 inches is all that's necessary. If you're using single strand wire you will have fewer problems with kinking when using a shorter leader. When using 50 lb line or heavier I'll tie my main line right to the swivel but when fishing with 30 lb or lighter will add about 12 feet of 60 to 80 lb clear mono to the main line which acts as a buffer against the fish's fins and tail. (NB. most of my fishing is done at standard trolling speeds of around 6-8 knots rather than high speed which requires heavier tackle and different setups - see Wahooking's site)
what would be your ultimate hoo setup? they are here pretty much all year following 2-10lb tuna blackfin schools
Live blackfins fished on two hook rigs would probably be very good? I've also had some very good results skipping dead baits with two or three hook belly rigs from the outriggers. You can't troll as fast with these as you can with lures but if you know where they hang out you don't need to.
The weight of a bibless lure is towards the front....A bibless lure will dig, dig, dig....pop up, catch and dig again etc....The closer your bibless lure is to the boat the longer the digs and less pops...the use of trolling sinkers can lengthen the dig too.
When the lure pops/doesn't catch, the hooks can and will at times flare up and catch the lure...sometimes it chips the lure and sometimes the hooks get wedged in the body of the lure...More often on a wooden lure like a Yozuri bonita.
Wahoo speaking...I do feel the hook up ratio on a bibless lure decreases because of hooks location and leverage...A bibless lure can get all twisted up inside a Wahoo's mouth...esp. if she shakes a lot...lots of dislodged hooks...Also, I do feel that force is lost at the body of the lure because your line is attached to the eye of lure and not the hook rig.
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