I wasn't specificaly calling you out. I don't think what you are doing is wrong. I don't even know how or what you hunt. I also don't think hunting with a rifle, compound, or bazooka(if leagal) is wrong. I guess you didn't enjoy hunting with the tradional equipment as much as others that have posted on this thread. It is a personal preference issue more than anything else. I would rather catch one sunny on a fly rod than a stringer full on a worm.
I am a fan of Tred's show yes, but don't accuse of drinking the KoolAid. I do agree with Tred on many topics though, this being one of them. I mostly appreciate his passion and enthusiam for hunting, fishing, and the outdoors. Too me it is more enjoyable than watching some guy sitting over a beanfield with 7mm shooting at deer he has seen every night. Not that there is anything wrong with that. \
Again I appogize if I offended you in anyway
Joe
Last edited by Joseph Anastasi; 01-16-2009 at 10:52 AM.
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Joe:
What are you sorry about, you didn't offend me in any way, I thank you for your concern.
I don't have any problem with using a longbow for hunting or using it for firewood it doesn't matter to me.
I love to hunt, any kind of animal, anywhere, using any weapon that I please to use, period.
What I do have a problem with is that video and what is said and what it could mean to other people, that video is bashing hunters plain and simple, that's what I have been trying to say from the beginning. That video has been my point. I also have a huge problem with the claim to fame about hunting the hard way and the way it is being done and said, period.
Hey Nice bear, I take my hat off to you,also sounds like you had a great time to.What good be better.
Thanks is was a adventure to say the least. Buy the time we got to the van my son was pretty much carrying me and the bear. I couldn't walk for a few days. I guess that what they make young and strong kids for.
By the way why, did you leave your longbow home that day.
This hunt took place in Sept 2004. I have only been shooting the longbow for just under two years. If I return It will be
with the longbow.
I'm really not sure just how you can say that Mr. Barta's video is about getting kids into the sport,the video caption doesn't say anything like that, in fact Tred only makes reference to kids a couple of times, stop me if I'm wrong but, he states that kids don't find the sport fun and license sales down 70%. Then some nonsense about credit cards and spend spend spend
OK I have watched the video for the for the fifth time, and still glean the same meaning. Spend spend spend, and technology do in fact increase your chance of killing a animal. A rifle, $300-2000 with a laser range finding scope $200-1500 scope, in a tower $500-1000, in a hunting ranch $2,000 with a electronic call $200 over a electronic feeder $300. All this watched by a trail cam $150 or remote video cam that broadcast to your computer. Telling what and when a critter of your choice is there. While wearing hundreds of dollars of sent control clothes. I'm sure I missed some. If he feels this takes some of the challenge, compared to still, or spot and stalk hunting on the ground with a longbow, he's right. If in fact reducing the challenge causes young people to lose interest in hunting, what he says about tech hunting is right. He goes through these scenarios to show the differences between the two, related to the challenge. I may not agree with him, but what he said was necessary to make his point.
What I hear loud and clear without a shadow of any doubt is, a hunter tearing up other hunters and what they might have or believe in and do, and because why? He rips hunters, guns, methods and equippment not to mention hunting in general... Why? Then he says, he will defend all legal hunting with his life, what we have here is a strong contradiction of terms. I'm sure the anti's are playing that video at there next meeting with real joy.
That's it in a nut shell, everything else is secondary, including this nonsense about the hard way.Look and you will see...
I will take the man on his own words. He says he will defend others right to hunt as they chose. I, not knowing him to be a Lier, chose to take him on his word.
A question is not a statement.
If he says, "is that a muzzle loader?" That is not a statement, it is a question. We as hunter have different thoughts that need to be brought out to each other in order to understand one another and stand together. I respect the fact that Tred ask these things as a question. Then gives no name goobers like our self to rebut him. We can not just set around and talk behind each others back. We also can not afford to worry about what antis will take and twist to help their point. They can, and do, no matter what is said between us. Some fall for the idea that outlawing hunting ranches " canned hunting" would somehow get the antis off our backs. A victory like that would inspire them to push harder for the next target on the menu. Trying to hush them up by pretending were all just one happy family ain't gonna work. not nery ah bit.
I take his questions as wanting our input, and as you can see I enjoy giving mine.
Mr. G;
I fail to see the connection linking kids to losing interest in hunting in that rant and rave video, that video makes hunters look like total fools.
If the rant and rave video is about kids leaving the sport of hunting which I don't believe at all, his statements are so out of contact with todays kids it makes me laugh. Todays kids are the advanced age of gadgets, they love gadgets, if not anything they would love to try the sport just to get into the hunting world of gadgets and they would in all likely hood make these gadgets better, and excel in the sport of hunting.
Do you really think that if, you wear fancy camo carry a rangefinder take a look at your camera pictures on your laptop before you load your 2000.00 rifle take off the scope caps of the 1500.00 scope and sit in your tree stand gives you such an edge that your going to get a kill each and every time out, c'mon, you better pinch yourself and wake up.
Better yet, I should take my 1500.00 custom made longbow with wooden arrows with some kind of rock tied to it, wear some faded camo and paint my face and walk the face of the earth looking for some kind of game and then call it my way the hard way is the best thing to do and for the sport.WOW...
Mr. G. there is one thing that your totally wrong about and thats not being worried about the anti's, those people won't sleep or eat for days and spend money that we won't make in a life time if they can take something away from us and use all kinds of things against us and now they have the rant and rave video isn't that great.
Canned hunting, preserve hunting, hunting over food plots, baiting, hunting with dogs, high fence /// low fence, what a debate that would be, you would have to take on the entire southern part of the country, ( didn't we do that once already) well one thing for sure if, they took down the fences in Texas there would be a hole in the ground every step that you took so be careful.
It is time all hunter band together. The sport of hunting is what the hunter makes of it. In PA we have bow hunters that don't want crossbows. ???? flintlock hunters objecting to inline black powder hunters. They all hate the rife hunter who dislikes the water fowl hunter. The water fowlers are jealous of the upland hunters who can use lead shot in the same fields they are goose hunting in.
We are all hunter and we all need to band together with one goal. We need to fight for our rights to enjoy the sport of hunting.
The sport is what you make it. I have a farm set up as a regulated shooting ground for upland birds. Don't even try to tell me that its not sporting to stock birds for the sport of hunting. Yes we have alot of game on our farm but the sport cones in the way you take the game. For me its watching a dog work or shooting a true double. It is in my opinion that brushing a bird on the ground is not for me but who am I to tell an other sportsmen what he should or should not do.
I am a lucky man. I thank god for all the experiances i have enjoyed. i have hunted big game all over north america. i have been lucky engh to catch blue, white and sailfish in the atlantic. i have hunted phesants in the upper midwest. I learned at a young age from my grandfathter to trap mink, muskrat, and fox. Out of all the game i have taken i rember the hunt more then the trophy. I rember time i spent with my father. I rember my guid. I rember the cook. I rember being cold and wet. To me that is the true trophy not the rack. my step son shot an nice buck this year. I guess it only scored in the 125 class. To him that white tale was the size of an bull elk. To me it was a nice day a field with him and his mother. I am not sure i would of harvested the buck he took but i am glad he did. Its the time and the fellowship no taxadermist can reproduce.
The trip that always comes to mind might sound dumb to some but i charish the trip. In 2001 I bought the family business from my father. I am a lucky man to have him in my life. We have hunted and work side by side and he is not only my father he is my hunting buddie and my partner in business. He is the man that has everthing. I wanted to give him somthing but it was the end of the summer and nothing to hunt yet. I bought an alligator hunt in Lake Charles LA. This might sound stupid but dad and i had a blast. The time we spend laughing and carring on was better then shooting the big five in africa.
Four years later I was reliving the hunt with an outfitter i was hunting with in colorado. I was told by the out fitter and his wife that it was the most un sporting thing a hunter could do??? The wife told me i was not a hunter. In fact the man and wife have their own outdoor hunting show on tv. They are bow hunters only. The wife owns an large broad head co. She hunts with makeup and her hair done for the camra.
Do they hunt for the same reasons i do? I hunt with friends to be with friends. They hunt for the tv. They concider themself perfict people in their own perfect world. In my opion they hunt for the camra and the $. People like this are on the take when they should be on the give.
I am not saying Tread is on the take. I do get what he is saying. I just wish he would say the trophy is in the hunt not the animal. I now live by the idea if the animal was not worth taking the first day there is no reason to shoot that animal on the last day of the hunt. Thats just my humble opion and i am sure somone will tell me they payed alot of money and time and they want to go home with somthing. In their mind they are not wrong. I respect that. I just wish long bow hunter had the same reaspect for rifel huntere.
Enjoy the time you have in the field. We all work too hard and too long not to enjoy it. The time we spend with family and friends in the deer woods, the offshore canyons, and the costal marshes are way to short in the sceam of life spand we have. I value every moment and the laughs i had with friends. Although now I would never shoot a bird on the ground some of the best times i have ever had were in my youth when a full game bag gave you the bragging right.
Nine our ten deer interviewed did not care weather they were shot with a long bow or a cross bow!
I fail to see the connection linking kids to losing interest in hunting in that rant and rave video, that video makes hunters look like total fools.
You don't have to see any connection, he presents a question. We agree or disagree. You and I are doing a fine job looking like fools by bickering over this. Tred don't need our help for that.
If the rant and rave video is about kids leaving the sport of hunting which I don't believe at all, his statements are so out of contact with todays kids it makes me laugh. Todays kids are the advanced age of gadgets, they love gadgets, if not anything they would love to try the sport just to get into the hunting world of gadgets and they would in all likely hood make these gadgets better, and excel in the sport of hunting.
Again, that, just like Tred, is your opinion, regardless how charged up you or him feel. It's still only that
Do you really think that if, you wear fancy camo carry a rangefinder take a look at your camera pictures on your laptop before you load your 2000.00 rifle take off the scope caps of the 1500.00 scope and sit in your tree stand gives you such an edge that your going to get a kill each and every time out, c'mon, you better pinch yourself and wake up.
Nope but your odds are way increased over Still hunting, spot and stalk, on the ground with a longbow.
Better yet, I should take my 1500.00 custom made longbow with wooden arrows with some kind of rock tied to it, wear some faded camo and paint my face and walk the face of the earth looking for some kind of game and then call it my way the hard way is the best thing to do and for the sport.WOW...
Well that sounds like a great time to me, although you can skip the custom bow and pick a good used one for a couple hundred bucks. If you have time you could make a self bow for ah right bit cheaper. Once ya did that for a while, then you may or may not feel it's good for the sport, but that would be on you, and your opinion.
Mr. G. there is one thing that your totally wrong about and thats not being worried about the anti's, those people won't sleep or eat for days and spend money that we won't make in a life time if they can take something away from us and use all kinds of things against us and now they have the rant and rave video isn't that great.
I do worry about the antis, BUT WE MUST BE ABLE TO DISAGREE INORDER TO COME TO SOME KINDA CONSINCES. This board is the place for us to do it.
You really need to go ta a humane society site and see. No mater what we do they use it to try and make their point. If were silent, they do if we disagree they do. I do not fear them as much as I do my fellow closed minded hunter. He is the one that get us every time.
Canned hunting, preserve hunting, hunting over food plots, baiting, hunting with dogs, high fence /// low fence, what a debate that would be, you would have to take on the entire southern part of the country, ( didn't we do that once already) well one thing for sure if, they took down the fences in Texas there would be a hole in the ground every step that you took so be careful.
Most of those things you mention have already been highly restricted or eliminated in most states including your own. This is do to the Cannibal hunters that allowed it to happen to others.
Without a doubt our fellow hunters have to stop all of the nonsense and bickering that they do, all it does is add fuel to the fire for the anti's, what part don't these people understand, we have to stand together as one no matter what and thats that, real simple and not hard to understand at all but, too many just plain don't understand and or just don't care. This rant and rave video has me all bent and the anti's are laughing at us all again.
That outfitter you mention in Colorado that ripped you about the gator hunt wouldn't Fred and Michelle Eichler by any chance would it, I know they both have hunting shows on tv and Fred is an outfitter in Colorado, Her tv show isn't that good but , I know her father owns Muzzy broadhead company, Fred is without a doubt one of the best hunters out there with a longbow and or recurve for sure, I really hope that it was not them but, if it was they lost all of my respect for sure and will be put on the .... list.
Gator hunting !!!!!! what a blast, I took on the gators down on the bayous south of Houston not to far from the gulf of Mexico,what a time I had. I was in a john boat with my outfitter surrounded by gators and huge gar fish, holding my compound bow in hand with a barbed headed arrow with a line and bouy attached to it when I shot my gator well, let me tell you I thought I was going to explode with all of the fun, fear and excitement that I had that day,I kept telling my guide that I can't swim and he said it wouldn't matter anyway because we wouldn't last but a minute in the water anyhow, well I hung on to that gator for all I was worth and had flash backs about the jaws movie when the shark was pulling the boat backwards well this gator did the same thing and I didn't know what to do, cut and run or just hang on those gators charged the boat bumping the boat and doing crazy things that kept my hair standing straight up in the air the entire time, there were times I didn't know who was the prey and who was the hunter, in the end I boated a nine and a half gator that proudly hangs in my home.
Your right about alot of things, the hunt and the time spent there with family and friends are the trophy with out a doubt, I have come home shunked from paid hunts more times than I wanted to but, the hunt and what made that hunt was worth its weight in gold for sure. Also these tv guys they take with both hands and give nothing back at all, they take the game and it is nothing but a business to them and then they take the check, c'mon it's all about there own needs and that is that.
You hail from PA I see, well I have had alot of great hunts down there, needless to say I hunt bear down there every day of the season through out the state, the deer hunting isn't what it use to be but thats another story by itself.Pa is a great place to hunt alot better than NY for sure
This might sound strange but I did my first upland bird hunt this past year in the mid west with a dog I had some fun but it wasn't what I thought it would be, later on I was hunting in the Dakotas for antelope and did some upland bird hunting on the fly on public land, I couldn't believe all of the birds everywhere, well I had the time of my life another memory that I can share. You keep stocking those birds your not doing anything wrong at all.By the way a 125 buck in PA is quite a trophy these days, you have alot to be proud of.
I know you won't forget that we as hunters are one big family so pass the word and lets keep these tv guys and whom ever in check, they seem to have lost there way and Rant and rave way to much. Good Hunting.....
Mr. G:
Were not the fools going back and forth over this, video, its just good ole chewing on the issue
You better believe one thing, Tred isn't stating questions in that video, that man is making a statement and I'm sure of that. Its not about any opinion, it is a clear statement of conviction both on the video and what I have to say.
You think your odds are increased hunting using gadgets, how is that, the game goes and does what it wants when it wants and that is that,and by someone wearing something and having gadgets will not make the game do what the hunter wants. There are no odds in hunting math is not a factor, its all about luck of the draw and chance and no one or anything can or will change that.
Yes, some of our fellow hunters make problems for us but, we just have to deal with that and make them understand, the clear and present danger are the anti's and we better never lose the fear of what they can and will do to us and our hunting, maybe we should send them some longbows and tell them about the hard way is the only way and maybe they will understand and go after the oil companys instead about the price of gas.
Here in NY except for baiting and hunting with dogs you can hunt over food plots go to a preserve and build all of the fences you want, preserve hunting is alot bigger than you realize here in the states and in Canada not to mention Africa.How could I ever forget the largest preserve of all which happens to be the state of Texas, and thats not my opinion thats a fact.
That rant and rave video is about as close minded as you can get, and thats not a opinion it's a statement of fact and strong conviction. You can't see the trees in the woods.
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