Captain Tred Barta - FISHING: Calcutta Kill Tournaments

[FESS]

Nobody can wear epaulets as an associate @ Walmart and or Sam's Club. Target maybe....

[sportfishingusa]

i am going to say that i dont like this section. or any of these threads and i will be signing off and never returning..

[Captain Tred Barta]

Hey everybody, I didn't like the example concerning prostitution one bit. I have kids, as many of you do. And as all of you know, I spend a tremendous ammount of time with kids. But, I truly believe that my comparison is a good one. It may be quite shocking but the fact is, in my world, just because a Calcutta Kill Tournament raises money for charity, does not justify, in my value system, it's existence nor necessarily makes it good. If a mafia hitman gives money to the church at the end of a gun, does this justify his existence?

What I'm trying to do here is start a lively discussion between very intelligent people on this site. In my opinion sportfishermen.com has people that have their act together and are intelligent. That's what makes this site very interesting. I do not like Calcutta Kill Tournaments, I think they're wrong and I still think they're the cancer of our sport. And like much of life today, they don't show a lot of moral character.

However, I do appologize that my comments could be offensive to some; if you read carefully what I wrote, it was a bold comparisson, not an offensive one.

By the way everyone, big sponsors, big boat companies, family value companies, and big retail stores are realizing that Calcutta Kill Tournaments killing big breeder blue marlin for a brown paper bag of cash is not morally correct today. Just like big public companies who have been bailed out by the federal government get caught going on a partrich hunt in England in their $20million jet and it's talked about on Fox News, matter-of-fact today is also gonna stop. Calcutta Kill Tournaments are dead. The promoters just don't know it yet.

[sportfishingusa]

Hey everybody, I didn't like the example concerning prostitution one bit. I have kids, as many of you do. And as all of you know, I spend a tremendous ammount of time with kids. But, I truly believe that my comparison is a good one. It may be quite shocking but the fact is, in my world, just because a Calcutta Kill Tournament raises money for charity, does not justify, in my value system, it's existence nor necessarily makes it good. If a mafia hitman gives money to the church at the end of a gun, does this justify his existence?

What I'm trying to do here is start a lively discussion between very intelligent people on this site. In my opinion sportfishermen.com has people that have their act together and are intelligent. That's what makes this site very interesting. I do not like Calcutta Kill Tournaments, I think they're wrong and I still think they're the cancer of our sport. And like much of life today, they don't show a lot of moral character.

However, I do appologize that my comments could be offensive to some; if you read carefully what I wrote, it was a bold comparisson, not an offensive one.

By the way everyone, big sponsors, big boat companies, family value companies, and big retail stores are realizing that Calcutta Kill Tournaments killing big breeder blue marlin for a brown paper bag of cash is not morally correct today. Just like big public companies who have been bailed out by the federal government get caught going on a partrich hunt in England in their $20million jet and it's talked about on Fox News, matter-of-fact today is also gonna stop. Calcutta Kill Tournaments are dead. The promoters just don't know it yet.

in whos eyes are they dead!?? How many marlin do you think are killed during your barta tourney!? you think they all live...? come on now.. if you want a discussion discuss.. but went you come in here shooting off and pointing fingers there is no discussion of intelligence.

this shows that you are totally ignant to the sitiation and do not care what anyone else feels.

there are people who base vacation around this. you go out and kill a boar, a bear, a squirell or anything else and you think that is ok!??! IT IS NOT OKAY TO THE TREE HUGGERS!!

i dont understand how you can expect people to sit back and read this.. i for one fish these tourneys and i find that any good fishermen in their right mind would love to be a part of it..

take your barta tournament... add a few calcuttas and you are in business. same scenario just you say no kill but i saw a bunch of 5lb wahoo and 2 lb mahi..

if it wasnt for the kids smiling people would be all over those small fish being kept like white i rice.

lets call a spade a spade here..


my mother once said (rest her soul) that WHAT IS RIGHT FOR SOME IS NOT RIGHT FOR OTHERS.. AND IF YOU DONT AGREE JUST TURN AROUND AND WALK AWAY...

there is no way in hell that these kill tournaments are going to diminish our stocks.. killing the 20 grander blue marlin that are out there in our waters each year will not hurt anything..

one question.. have you or anyone you know trolled out across the great big pond around every nook, cranny, edge, elbow and anywhere else there might be a fish!?!? NOPE..

NO ONE HAS AND NO ONE WILL.. for all we know there could be a huge pile of 1000 lb fish swimming around in the middle of the atlantic.. or in the middle of the pacific.. we just dont know now and we will never know.

people get so up in arms about stocks... the stocks are based on local waters not what is out past the waters.. i mean come on.. you dont think there is any other life out there other than planet earth!!??!

and to say cancerous.. people die of cancer sir.. and to say this is going to kill our sport.. well you know what.. i throw in the towel.. hug that tree... kiss that marlin... carress that saildog and i will be out there killing them as i feel the need as long as it is LEGAL..

YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES HERE SIR..

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A GUN FIGHT IN A CHURCH WITH MONEY..

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING 70"WHITES, AND 99INCH BLUE MARLIN HERE SIR.. NOT TALKING ABOUT KILLING SMALLER FISH...

i do not think this is ever a valid thread and i dont think that there has been one point or opinion brough up here that supports your theory with any validaty.

sorry for the rant but this is the truth and how i feel.

thanks

vinnie ragus

[Deep C]

Bart Miller's eyesight might be a little dimmer than it once was but he had you pegged... He said you look like Colin Powell...
He was right. The night you guys went to the movies then branched off into seperate theaters was a classic example of being individuals... You were both right...

I see your points and agree some with them. Then I don't agree with others... Perhaps we are both right...

If thats the case, ponder this. You indicate that it sends mixed signals to our kids to promote release one minute then kill the next. Well, what if you have a limit or even a single dead tuna in the box, then release the rest? Aren't we sending the same mixed signals?
I enjoy that at least you are bantering back and forth. Morals? We're fishermen... A notch above neanderthal! If we can't f*** it we want to kill it... We've come a long way in stopping 99% of the needless slaughter... Don't expect though or even ask that we cough up that last percent as it defies evolution. We spent ten million years evolving to the top of the food chain, I'm not gonna whiz on all that history and eat brocolli or let go that last remaining thread of the natural progression that is me.

[Dave Sikorski]

i am going to say that i dont like this section. or any of these threads and i will be signing off and never returning..

Vinnie, this is no attack b/c I like you and your energy, but practice what you preach. took you one post to return!

Chill!

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So it's not the comparison you would choose, and "cancer" isn't the word you might use b/c of it's disease and death connotation. Look at the big picture people don't get so put off.

From webster:

Main Entry:
can·cer Listen to the pronunciation of cancer
Pronunciation:
\ˈkan(t)-sər\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin (genitive Cancri), literally, crab; akin to Greek karkinos crab, cancer
Date:
14th century

1capitalized a: a northern zodiacal constellation between Gemini and Leo b (1): the fourth sign of the zodiac in astrology — see zodiac table (2): one born under the sign of Cancer2 [Latin, crab, cancer] a: a malignant tumor of potentially unlimited growth that expands locally by invasion and systemically by metastasis b: an abnormal bodily state marked by such tumors3: something evil or malignant that spreads destructively <the cancer of hidden resentment — Irish Digest>4 a: an enlarged tumorlike plant growth (as that of crown gall) b: a plant disease marked by such growths
— can·cer·ous Listen to the pronunciation of cancerous \ˈkan(t)s-rəs, ˈkan(t)-sə-\ adjective
— can·cer·ous·ly adverb


The way I read what you're saying Tred is it is immoral to gamble for money based on an animals life. I respect that view and can't say I totally agree or disagree. I tend to think it depends on what's in the heart and mind of the crew that brings the fish aboard. Yes there are guys out there who are out there simply for the money, but I'd like to think they're the minority. It may be a fault sometimes, but I'm an optimist, maybe naive.d

I don't think you travel filming your adventures b/c you can make money doing it. Would Tred Barta still be hunting and fishing if there wasn't a camera behind you? OF COURSE. BUT, the excitement, ups and downs, long hours, etc of filming and travel has to be exciting at times and worth it for more than the money.

It's the same thing with fishing. At the cost of a small percentage of the billfish killed in the world each year, thousands of folks who absolutely live and breath billfishing have a chance to up the excitement of their sport and have a chance at making it big. If the owners, captains, anglers, and mates only do it for the check then YES, they are wrong. But that's not what it is about.

I walked the docks at the WMO all week this year and spent the afternoons at the scale. The energy and excitement in town was amazing(and this was an off year as we all know). Was the energy b/c of the money, a little, but it was also b/c guys like the Fish Whistle crew, regular guys, had a chance to tangle with The Judge, Canyon Runner, and other world class fishermen and get that lucky bite that won it. That's something that money can't buy. The look on Tommy Hinkle's face when the crowd cheered him on was more than a look of "wow, I won some money". It wasn't that simple.

I do tend to wonder why a fish with a bill is more important than a meat fish, but I also see the recreational value of billfish. We've come a long way from the old days and we will continue to progress and science and information shows us the way.

Catch and release and kill tournaments both have a pretty important roll in the conservation of billfish these days. It elevates the Marlin above that catfish you mentioned. The money adds that extra punch whether the fish is killed or not, they're both important.

I think we have much bigger battles to fight to preserve our pelagic fish stocks throughout the world.

It's been well noted in the history of animal conservation. If you can make money with it or eat it we're going to do our best to make as many of them as possible.

More and more tournaments are pushing the releasing of more fish each year, and I believe that trend will continue. Kill tournaments are near the end of their life cycle, but will probably never totally disappear. If the do I think it should be b/c fishermen have lost the desire, not b/c some govt. agency deems it necessary. I do have hope in man to be realistic with his impact on nature.

It is very important to put pressure internationally to stop commercial practices that kill indiscriminately. A mate on the side of a 65' sport fishermen can decide to cut the leader. A worker on a Japanese longliner doesn't have that choice.

Too often I see hunters and fishermen of the US get wrapped up in minute differences, and totally miss the big picture.

It's the same thing with our economic and political situation today. We've lost sight of the big picture and will face hard times because of it.

-D

[tom s]

Tred,what is the diff of killing a marlin for money or no money.The Tuna Club of Avalon,one of the oldest sportfishing clubs on the earth STILL kills fish for a button.Thier members cant fish money torneys but in order to become a voting member they have to catch and kill and weigh their fish.I have had the chance to join this club and have never jumped in as I still like to fish money tourneys either catch and release or kill with a weight-length limit.Avalon just had 3 very good events,LOTS of fish caught and released but very few killed.JMHO,Tom

[joeksr]

Hey everybody, I didn't like the example concerning prostitution one bit. I have kids, as many of you do. And as all of you know, I spend a tremendous ammount of time with kids. But, I truly believe that my comparison is a good one. It may be quite shocking but the fact is, in my world, just because a Calcutta Kill Tournament raises money for charity, does not justify, in my value system, it's existence nor necessarily makes it good. If a mafia hitman gives money to the church at the end of a gun, does this justify his existence?

What I'm trying to do here is start a lively discussion between very intelligent people on this site. In my opinion sportfishermen.com has people that have their act together and are intelligent. That's what makes this site very interesting. I do not like Calcutta Kill Tournaments, I think they're wrong and I still think they're the cancer of our sport. And like much of life today, they don't show a lot of moral character.

However, I do appologize that my comments could be offensive to some; if you read carefully what I wrote, it was a bold comparisson, not an offensive one.

By the way everyone, big sponsors, big boat companies, family value companies, and big retail stores are realizing that Calcutta Kill Tournaments killing big breeder blue marlin for a brown paper bag of cash is not morally correct today. Just like big public companies who have been bailed out by the federal government get caught going on a partrich hunt in England in their $20million jet and it's talked about on Fox News, matter-of-fact today is also gonna stop. Calcutta Kill Tournaments are dead. The promoters just don't know it yet.

Sir. Mr. Barta.
I'm sorry I don't get it. You ,make your living hunting and fishing. YOU KILL stuff for money. You make tv shows.
How can you possiby come on here and talk about killin for money as a cancer? Are you going to stop ? Do you have enough money now and you can develop a consience ? Give me a break. Please, More on Your value "SYSTEM".
This is not a personnal attack but I do not know how else to possibly put you statements in perspective.
What,
Do as I say not as I do ?
If you think killing fish, deer,bear or whatever for a tv show is less of a "cancer" Please, explain it to me.

It's all good.

Did you look at my statics from the White Marlin Open in Oc md ?
300 boats, 900 trips off shore by some very experienced fisherman and 16 fish killed ?
Please, Define conservation to me.
Nope, sorry son, We can't fish no more, Might kill
something?
Nope, no more hunting, Might Kill something.
Is there some kind of catch and release for hunting ?
Will you stop hunting and filming for your tv shows ?
Explain this to me. I Just dont get IT.

Again, I appologize, This is not a personnal attack.
I JUST DONT GET IT.




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[rarhomes]

Tred,

Please get a new camera....

[hubris 1]

some guys take every word, and put the definition up.......and dont get it. when these same guys are in the marlin and tuna club, do they listen and react to every "careful" word? i get the idea of a prostitute. what the heck, lets call it a drug dealer, sending his money to a church. a mafia guy killing people he picks but, no women and children. certainly, you get the idea.......... a nobel act cannot be overshadowed by how we got here.stop defending killing of marlin by arguing little definitions of what a word means, and what you think its value is. if you really want to win the battle...political as it is, "YOU" will never beat the commercial guys by arguing we only killed 25, you kill thousands. unfortunately, thats not how politics works. i think thats what tred is trying to say, and i agree. but, i dont care....if it makes you happy. KILL EM, every last one! and then we can sit here and accuse each other of who is responsible. i enjoy fishing.....its a hobby......not a badge......get a real life........let it go.