Drug card ? who does it belong to?

hardcore_offshore · 06-19-2009, 09:26 PM

i am curious if you go to work on a boat thats on the drug testing program an the captain makes you pay for the drug card or drug test if you leave who gets that drug card? does the mate get to keep it since he had to pay the 125 or 150 dollars for the test an the card or are you supposed to give it back to the captain? just curious thats all was wondering what the truth was or what the real answer is?

SNAKE EYES SPORTFISHING · 06-20-2009, 06:16 AM

whos name is the card in, where was it mailed to. who paid for it. also when you renue the card photo copy the card and keep the original on you . if im not mistaken the original drug test was 75 bucks and 45 bucks to renue it. i believe from drug consortium sea services out of miami. if you need exact name and address i'll find the info. however i feel if its your piss. its your card... also it was your mail, that makes it your property...good luck

Gringo · 06-20-2009, 07:48 AM

So, based on that logic, a cop has no right to take your drivers license...

YOU paid for it. It was mailed to You...

actually I am just playing Devil's Advocate, saying that just because you pay for something doesn't mean it is your property.

I would think in this case, why would the Capt want it? What good would a drug card do him, in someone elses name?

I was curious on another matter. If you went on vacation to someplace where certain drugs were legal, used some, and then went home and was tested weeks later,

what law did you break?

gottaflylee · 06-20-2009, 08:55 PM

Most any question you have will be here, if not call them and they can answer it for you...

http://www.drugfreevessel.com/joining/faq.html

Maritime Consortium is who I am with and have been for 13 or so years.
Technically, the company you work for should enroll you in their drug testing program, and they should pay for it. that's how the rule reads as I understand it.

Gringo, it you fail a test for any reason you are in trouble, it does not matter if you did then in a country where is was legal or not.

SNAKE EYES SPORTFISHING · 06-21-2009, 03:14 AM

i believe a drivers license is a bit far of a reach, and no my drivers license was not mailed to me it was handed to me. and no a cop cannot take your license, however a court can take your driving privledge. as i read the post i believe he said he paid for the card.

Gringo · 06-21-2009, 04:45 AM

You are wrong. A police officer can, in fact, take your drivers license away from you. He can also take your firearms permit away from you. He can, under certain circumstances, take every single thing in your pocket away from you. He can have your car impounded and towed. the court may elect to return this stuff to you, or you might not see it again for a long long time. But the cop can damned sure take it away from you.

The drug thing is a personal peeve of mine, but then I believe a lot of what is wrong with the USA began when someone first proudly proclaimed their new "zero tolerance" policy, which has resulted in grade school children being penalize for possession of an aspirin, and for a new generation of wannabe Gestapo gleefully telling people they wish they could cut them some slack but unfortunately their zero tolerance policy prohibited it.

You wanna outlaw some plants to make life safer? Start with barley and hops. Want to outlaw a plant to make people live longer? Start with tobacco.

hardcore_offshore · 06-22-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hardcore_offshore

i am curious if you go to work on a boat thats on the drug testing program an the captain makes you pay for the drug card or drug test if you leave who gets that drug card? does the mate get to keep it since he had to pay the 125 or 150 dollars for the test an the card or are you supposed to give it back to the captain? just curious thats all was wondering what the truth was or what the real answer is?

well heres the story i was fishing with a captain a hardass an a arrogant one at that...he decides he wants to draw back on me an threaten an start cussing at 6am i simply told him ill walk off the boat right now he replies "ill badmouth you an destroy you an you will never fish again"....we fish that day no matter how hard you try its never good enuff for him plus he is just a POS i shoulda known after all the stories i had heard an the whole tip issue...although i must say he did help when i needed help but then again maybe there were ulterior motives who knows..anyways i quit/he fired me...he tells me that he wants his drug card back my name is on it so is his..i paid for it he took the money outta my check long story short if it belongs to him ill give it back if he gives me my money back if no money no card simple as that....

Capt. kapoc · 06-22-2009, 10:02 AM

Tell him if he feels that stronly about it then take you to small claims court. The card will not do him any good and if you can prove that he took the money out of your check for it then your more than good. I woldn't worry about any of it too much if someone wants to bad mout you to everyone then they more than likely already know his demeaner and general attitude so a grain of salt will be taken by anything he says.

nautiduck · 06-22-2009, 10:19 PM

Actually snake eyes and gringo your both right and both wrong. It varies state by state some can, some cant, and wether the the state your stopped in, is the one who issued the license, some can some cant it depends on reciprocity between the states. Also in most (not all) states for that to happen your being cuffed and stuffed anyway. In alot of states being that officers both state, and municipal are acting agents of the state being that they enforce state laws they do have the authority to confiscate state property. Make no mistake about it wether you paid for it or not the state owns your license. The same applies to your drug card, the issuing authority would be one to answer that question. Its probably on their website. Although I would tend to agree if you paid for it, its yours of course he may have wrongly passed the cost on to you. His name being on it as well makes me wonder.

frankypettolina · 06-23-2009, 07:12 AM

I was told by the USCG that the drug testing program is the boats, and the card is vessel specific. For example, if you look at my card it is my name on it, but also the name of my employer (MAP Enterprises- the corp that owns the Last Call). It is the duty of MAP Enterprises to pay the consortium and see to it that when the notice comes, I am randomly tested. According to the USCG officer i spoke to- by the letter of the law, I could not freelamnce on another boat with my card from MAP. BUT, he told me that if i presented the card, and told them the situation (ie- i am a walk on second mate for the WMO or something) they would let it slide.

My gripe is this. There are some professional freelance mates- how can they strictly freelance if the card is vessel specific? And my father and I are the officers in MAP enterprises- it is OUR duty to see that WE are randomly tested when the notice comes? Come on, this is plain stupid. The real way for this to work is to have all marine professionals register through an organization (i personally think the Local USCG), and this organization randomly adminsters the tests. They come to the dock when they feel like it, and you piss in the cup right then and there. That would be the most effective system.

But to answer the original question, the card may belong to you, but the USCG sees it as vessel specific. To me that says that card is only truly valid on that boat.

06-20-2009, 07:48 AM	#3
Gringo I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 21.9 deg. N Posts: 2,185 Credits: 5,609.4 Boat: Contender 25, Hobie Mirage Home Port: Providenciales TCI BWI Best Catch: This girl who shoots the monkeys off my back. Occupation: Perfecting the art of the 7 day weekend.	So, based on that logic, a cop has no right to take your drivers license... YOU paid for it. It was mailed to You... actually I am just playing Devil's Advocate, saying that just because you pay for something doesn't mean it is your property. I would think in this case, why would the Capt want it? What good would a drug card do him, in someone elses name? I was curious on another matter. If you went on vacation to someplace where certain drugs were legal, used some, and then went home and was tested weeks later, what law did you break? __________________ http://2gringos.blogspot.com/ There are very few personal problems that cannot be resolved with the proper application of high explosives. Last edited by Gringo; 06-20-2009 at 07:53 AM.

06-21-2009, 03:14 AM	#5
SNAKE EYES SPORTFISHING Got fish Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 181 Credits: 1,770.9	i believe a drivers license is a bit far of a reach, and no my drivers license was not mailed to me it was handed to me. and no a cop cannot take your license, however a court can take your driving privledge. as i read the post i believe he said he paid for the card. Last edited by SNAKE EYES SPORTFISHING; 06-21-2009 at 03:16 AM.

06-21-2009, 04:45 AM	#6
Gringo I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 21.9 deg. N Posts: 2,185 Credits: 5,609.4 Boat: Contender 25, Hobie Mirage Home Port: Providenciales TCI BWI Best Catch: This girl who shoots the monkeys off my back. Occupation: Perfecting the art of the 7 day weekend.	You are wrong. A police officer can, in fact, take your drivers license away from you. He can also take your firearms permit away from you. He can, under certain circumstances, take every single thing in your pocket away from you. He can have your car impounded and towed. the court may elect to return this stuff to you, or you might not see it again for a long long time. But the cop can damned sure take it away from you. The drug thing is a personal peeve of mine, but then I believe a lot of what is wrong with the USA began when someone first proudly proclaimed their new "zero tolerance" policy, which has resulted in grade school children being penalize for possession of an aspirin, and for a new generation of wannabe Gestapo gleefully telling people they wish they could cut them some slack but unfortunately their zero tolerance policy prohibited it. You wanna outlaw some plants to make life safer? Start with barley and hops. Want to outlaw a plant to make people live longer? Start with tobacco. __________________ http://2gringos.blogspot.com/ There are very few personal problems that cannot be resolved with the proper application of high explosives. Last edited by Gringo; 06-21-2009 at 04:56 AM.

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06-20-2009, 06:16 AM	#2
SNAKE EYES SPORTFISHING Got fish Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 181 Credits: 1,770.9	whos name is the card in, where was it mailed to. who paid for it. also when you renue the card photo copy the card and keep the original on you . if im not mistaken the original drug test was 75 bucks and 45 bucks to renue it. i believe from drug consortium sea services out of miami. if you need exact name and address i'll find the info. however i feel if its your piss. its your card... also it was your mail, that makes it your property...good luck

06-22-2009, 10:02 AM	#8
Capt. kapoc Sit down Shut up And fish Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Virgina Beach, Va Posts: 580 Credits: 2,042.3 Occupation: Us Navy/ Charterboat Capt Blog Entries: 3	Tell him if he feels that stronly about it then take you to small claims court. The card will not do him any good and if you can prove that he took the money out of your check for it then your more than good. I woldn't worry about any of it too much if someone wants to bad mout you to everyone then they more than likely already know his demeaner and general attitude so a grain of salt will be taken by anything he says.

06-22-2009, 10:19 PM	#9
nautiduck I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rock Hill SC (Charlotte) Posts: 1,239 Credits: 3,763.0 Best Catch: Duckie	Actually snake eyes and gringo your both right and both wrong. It varies state by state some can, some cant, and wether the the state your stopped in, is the one who issued the license, some can some cant it depends on reciprocity between the states. Also in most (not all) states for that to happen your being cuffed and stuffed anyway. In alot of states being that officers both state, and municipal are acting agents of the state being that they enforce state laws they do have the authority to confiscate state property. Make no mistake about it wether you paid for it or not the state owns your license. The same applies to your drug card, the issuing authority would be one to answer that question. Its probably on their website. Although I would tend to agree if you paid for it, its yours of course he may have wrongly passed the cost on to you. His name being on it as well makes me wonder.

06-23-2009, 07:12 AM	#10
frankypettolina killing stuff cause it feels good Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OCMD Posts: 2,058 Credits: 4,102.8 Boat: Last Call Home Port: Ocean City, MD Best Catch: triple slam in Venezuela 1997 or 31 sails in a day Mexico 98 Occupation: Marine Surveyor and Charterboat Captain	I was told by the USCG that the drug testing program is the boats, and the card is vessel specific. For example, if you look at my card it is my name on it, but also the name of my employer (MAP Enterprises- the corp that owns the Last Call). It is the duty of MAP Enterprises to pay the consortium and see to it that when the notice comes, I am randomly tested. According to the USCG officer i spoke to- by the letter of the law, I could not freelamnce on another boat with my card from MAP. BUT, he told me that if i presented the card, and told them the situation (ie- i am a walk on second mate for the WMO or something) they would let it slide. My gripe is this. There are some professional freelance mates- how can they strictly freelance if the card is vessel specific? And my father and I are the officers in MAP enterprises- it is OUR duty to see that WE are randomly tested when the notice comes? Come on, this is plain stupid. The real way for this to work is to have all marine professionals register through an organization (i personally think the Local USCG), and this organization randomly adminsters the tests. They come to the dock when they feel like it, and you piss in the cup right then and there. That would be the most effective system. But to answer the original question, the card may belong to you, but the USCG sees it as vessel specific. To me that says that card is only truly valid on that boat.