As the world turns?

[scottne]

scott ,once again your going to have to be told u r flat out wrong ! when did u start fishing ? Let me guess- the late nineties the earliest.why do i guess that ? Because thats when your cute little sluggo loving friends showed up here !Dont try to tell people who have been fishing for these things for 40 yrs, that they have been here the whole time in the bay, because you dont have a god damn clue!Like I had to point out to u earlier,as did other people who know from first hand experience,from the seventies till late nineties/they didnt exist in your fish bowl called the bay ! period !

Who are the people with first hand experience? DMF and every other source I've ever read, including the catch records from the Silver Mink show they were abundtant prior to being wiped out. Surprisingly you can't catch a few million juvenille fish in a few years and sustain a fishery. http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/recre...luefintuna.htm

As jkg pointed out, the advent of the rod and reel run and gun had a lot to do with braided lines, they were routinely seeing the smaller fish in MA Bay back in the mid 90s. I routinely saw small fish in the 90s when bass fishing we just had no gear to target them.

It was a great commercial year last year after several banner years on those same fish in the rec fleet. I hope you are 100% correct in addition to 100% commercial and the fish are going to be here in big numbers for years to come.

Good luck out there.

[scottne]

or i should say it was extremely rare to see any

Sure, of course. When 600 tons of 30-60 pound fish are taken from any location over a couple of years it will be a LONG time before they are there with any frequency again. You're arguing that they're not here all the time, I'm saying it wasn't a freak occurence that they were here in the 95-2010 range. When times have been really good they've been here for the most part although there were really bad years even in that span that were not indicative of a population change.

We're either on the verge of totally recovery...remember we've been hearing the population was about to be totally recovered....or something else ( I specifically remember a year mentioned, not sure which one as the point at which the stock would be recovered...Twofin should have that handy somewhere). I 100% hope you're right.

[100 % commercial]

scott, i was there from the seventies till now ,so i guess that would make me first hand info.Give it a break would you ! YOU ARE WRONG !They,the little ones, werent in the fish bowl bay while you were probably still playing with tonka trucks !I dont need research when i saw it with my own eyes as did many others.My personal feeling about them is they are the biggest pain in the arse thing to ever show up here.Has made the place hell to fish due to all the traffic.I wont even go down into the bay anymore for that very reason.

[100 % commercial]

just read your last post . i never argued they werent here from late nineties on.Make your mind up what u want to say.I said they werent here before that, like you were claiming they were .So we can agree on that.Over and out !

[twofinbluna]

Twofin, not trying to start an argument here but what you're saying makes no sense at all. Whether or not the actual percentages change a bit as the sample increases has nothing to do with the original point Mudshark made. Mudshark said that eastern fish do migrate west and are caught on this side of the pond, and as far as I can see, the research he cited supports that VERY effectively. Given that a large portion of eastern fish are already showing up on our shores with what you're calling "inadequate sampling" cleary supports the point that Mudshark was making, that eastern fish are here and are being caught. If there were NO eastern fish showing up, but you believed they were here, then you could argue that the sampling was inadequate and more sampling needs to be done in different areas to identify the existence of eastern fish. You can't deny that eastern fish are here by claiming inadequate sampling though. It's both silly and illogical.

Furthermore, I don't understand why so many fisherman are steadfast in their stance that we don't catch eastern fish, and attempt to refute eveidence that suggests that the fish move in this direction. Who cares? They catch some of ours, we catch some of theirs. So it goes...

I've been catching a lot of babies south of the islands (30-70lb fish) since July 1st. These fish have pushed noticably to the east over the past couple weeks. Hopefully they will turn the corner and provide a target to anglers fishing off the backside and in the bay.

Hey Keith, never said I had an issue with the statement Mudshark made about fish coming from East to West. Go back and look at what I said, I said I had an issue with that study itself. I think that the Gulf of Maine pie chart is totally wrong- that is, I think that there are far more big "eastern" fish here than that thing is trying to show.

I think that calling it "their fish" or "our fish" is in itself totally wrong, as there is so much mixing that it is impossible to say that any fish belongs to either side, regardless of where the may spawn. And to be honest, I have trouble with the whole "eastern" and "western" thing to begin with, since it seems to a gross oversimplification. You will never hear me saying things are simple and that mixing is minor. Thing are extremely complex and dynamic and mixing is happening all the time on both sides.

So, based on your post above, it sounds like we are on the same page.

But my point about sample size still remains. That figure for the Mid-Atl. may prove to be true in the end. I would still like to see a lot more samples- and that is happening right now, thankfully. If you had sat through as many meetings as I have where people post those same pie charts and treat them as 100% proven fact, you would understand why I am making the sample size point. Whether what they have shown so far is true or not, it still important to have a very large sample size before you say it is conclusive. I think in some cases those pie charts are wrong because of the low samples that were not representative of the actual fishery.

And sorry guys for the delay on posting about how to help donating heads/tuna parts. Working with the researchers to figure out a couple things before posting. Will be up in next day or two.

[Captain Greg Sears]

And sorry guys for the delay on posting about how to help donating heads/tuna parts. Working with the researchers to figure out a couple things before posting. Will be up in next day or two.

There will be a Cooler at the Mill Wharf Marina in Scituate .....The end near the Coast Guard Station... Behind the " Fortuna" and "Law and Order" follow the instructions printed on the cooler and call the number provided... This cooler will be in place this Monday.. you must not leave any parts not on the list please do not leave racks or any other parts not needed. ....

Head and Tail include Coddle fin

First Spike on Dorsal Fin include the meat on the end about 1/2 inch

Sexual Organs.. Gonads and or Ovary's , Roe?
Located on the top of the back of the cavity near the anal end. not connected to the rest of the guts.

Recreational fish only..!!!!!

[scottne]

Just throwing this out in case anyone wants a print that live/know the area. Many of you will recognize the Millway building. Perspective is from across the water from the cannery.

circa 1950, available for sale at http://fineartamerica.com/featured/b...es-harden.html

There's some better actual photos kicking around from inside the facility during the years the seiners were most active will try to add them to this post at some point. I don't think they're available anywhere online. Amazing how little the harbor has changed.



Not related but interesting...the old Cape Cod Tuna Club tournaments I remember hearing about when I was a kid. This 940lb beast beat in 1978 beat the 905lb caught just a few years before. Things are a "little" different now?

[backman]

Scott. get off your butt; get out of the office and go f-ing fishing!

This horse is dead!

[scottne]

Scott. get off your butt; get out of the office and go f-ing fishing!

This horse is dead!

I went yesterday and I just ate bluefin with some terriyaki We boated one in the slow bite out east yesterday.

Larry not digging up old battles just tossing old images up before they fade with history.... figure tossing them up here...helps people see what is long ago forgotten.


Just old photos that don't belong anywhere else and I didn't want to start a new thread. Will edit the old post if I come across more.

I don't know if this guy followed through I'm not a member on this site but I bet there's some awesome photos he's got from the 50s-70s of what was "the" tournament to fish if you were into bluefin fishing and one few remember. Would suck if all those photos were lost.

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...tuna-club.html

Nice writeup on the marlin by the way, congrats.