7/19 Live to Fish Another Day!

[crocker on cape]

when you came through the hooter area that was me that called you on the vhf. we ended up getting 2 sharks.

[canyonjunkie]

we didnt turn around...

we left late friday and steemed slowly through the night. it was nasty when i was at the helm from 3-5am saturday. about 16 knots on the nose with decent seas. the whole time there was between 12 and 16 knots of wind and about 4-6ft seas.

fished the tails until 2pm. managed one 30ishlb yellowfin. no mahi whatsoever on any of the 30+ fighflyers we checked.... for the record, there was ZERO temp break out there. all the water from over 20 miles inside of the shelf was a constant 76 degrees. very little weed. good color, but not pure stream water. somewhere around 5 boats out there. we were probably the smallest by about 20ft, but whatever.

terry you probably made the right/smart call, but we wanted to go fishing... next time we will pick a better weather window though.

[Riptide Charters]

The large fast CC's are a nice toy to have when the conditions permit.

It's tough to admit it but a the ripe old age of late 40's I personally am to old to even consider buying one. The Grundens look is no longer for me. Although when in a hot bite I'll throw the Grunden coveralls on so as not to get blood all over my pants.

With the smaller CC's you really need to pick your days. It's not fun fishing in the troughs of 5'ers or slugging it out with Mother Nature on the way out or in for that matter.

Rip Tide, not to be argumentative but you claim that safety is paramount. If that's truly the case how can you run a go fast CC of 30 some odd feet at night safely? I'm sure you like I have seen float sum that would take down a 50'er. But at least in the larger craft, you're risks are less of the occupants from flying out of the boat if you impact something. To keep it light here,
(In my best Fire Marshal Bill's voice) let's say you hit a floating tree or telephone pole and believe it or not I've seen 3 of them bobbing around out there in my years of fishing, at least if you’re in a big rig, there would be a much greater chance of keeping the vessel afloat. Hit something like that in a go fast CC and you could be talking about catastrophic failure. And I for one wouldn't want to be lying in a beanbag chair, as a pair of HP ob's were aside me.

That's just my opinion. It's my understanding that you work in public safety; I'm sure you weighed your risks and accept them. You don't need input from another fisherman, but what the hell, I figured I'd throw it out there.

What you really need is a single screw built down downeaster, to tow that rocket to the canyons. That will give you a mother boat to take home the mother load of fish. Or even better an older research vessel in need of a re-fit. Hell you could partner with a retired captain, send him down in the downeaster and meet him in 3 hours running in daylight. Or just tow the CC down yourself. How cool would that be?

If the entrepreneur in me thought that would be a viable business venture I'd invest just to be able to get out there fast. Unfortunately discretionary income is getting eaten up as a result of other economic issues, ...... Hummmm.... Perhaps this may be marketed as a business mans junket.

Just how much does a large downeaster or older research vessel cost fitted out for business owners tastes?

Be safe Rip Tide. I look forward to the reports.

Not sure I go along with your mindset on thins one. Just my thoughts out loud on speed at night etc.

My CC is not really small. It's 35' long 10' wide and weighs in loaded @ around 13500#. The fact that its open not withstanding it's the size of many mid level sporties shy maybe a bit of beam.

Underway my boat is only drafting 18" - 2'. The motors just barely reach below the hull, (there is a large step in the transom so the motors are high up) If I hit a log or other debris which we all sweat my hull is far more likely to ride up over stuff than a slower deeper hull that just going to impact it. If my motors hit something they kick up on the trim rams. It may not save them completely, but it's certainly better than having fixed mount running gear down below.

How many "big" boats in the last year or two have had shafts break or come off leaving HUGE holes under the waterline? Or more recently a guy had a wheel come off and nearly go through the hull. You hit something big with a inboard sportys running gear not only do you have a getting home issue, it's a high probability that your looking at a water intrusion issue as well. We smash a lower unit or two off a log and getting homes an issue but the motors hang off the back not through the hull.

Wahoonbox has a great video on this site of a big sporty he was on with a MAJOR water issue from the packing coming out of the shaft seal. Had he not been on his game they may have lost the boat. On my CC thats no an issue. No running gear goes through the hull, just a few inlets for livewells etc and they are all seacocked.

So every boat has advantages and disdvantages. IMHO the CC's advantages outweigh its disadvantages. So far this season we've made 4 trips to the edge (not counting this aborted one) including a run to Hydro. Speed has been the key factor since the weather windows have been small. I'm not aware of too many of the bigger local boats that have made half that many runs yet from the Cape. The down side is we are open and it can get sloppy.

In this case had it been Me, Mike C and Ruge we likely would have kept on running. But with sports its a different situation. I am far more cautious with sports since I'm unaware of how they will handle situations Me and my regular crew have already faced. Plus they are paying to have a good time, while some of us might find sloshing around in 5-6's a good time others may not.

[fin-chaser]

There was one bright spot to the very sloppy day we had out there on Saturday.

The Finchaser Crew along with Ruge were taking up the rear ( could not keep up with the big Contender) and we were about 25 miles south of Gay Head on the way to Block Canyon when I saw a very, did I say very, very large splash at about 10 o'clock on my port side.

I motioned to Ruge and almost before I could say anything we saw a very large Mako go completely air born. It was all of 400 #'s and probably over 500 #'s...... no exaggeration.

As Ruge put it.... "that one would one the tournament for someone if it was caught".

The things you see, when you don't have the camera out and ready.

Aside from that, it was a very rough and difficult day out on the water. The good news was no one got sick on our boat !!!!

3 to 5's, yeah right NOAA!!!

We'll try again when the weather calms down a bit.

Good Luck To All,

Fin-

[Riptide Charters]

Dave your right about the NOAA 3-5's. A guy on another site posted this. Apparently we ride well in heavy seas

Fishstory
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: East Longmeadow,Ma
Posts: 1,734

We were at the claw as you went by, didn't know it was you at the time, but now I do, couldn't believe how fast you were moving through those waves, boat looks like it handles real nice. We were the 28 Whaler Conquest, the conditons yesterday got real ugly, solid 7's and 8's for the a wet ride home!

[Bigeye10]

There was one bright spot to the very sloppy day we had out there on Saturday.

The Finchaser Crew along with Ruge were taking up the rear ( could not keep up with the big Contender) and we were about 25 miles south of Gay Head on the way to Block Canyon when I saw a very, did I say very, very large splash at about 10 o'clock on my port side.

I motioned to Ruge and almost before I could say anything we saw a very large Mako go completely air born. It was all of 400 #'s and probably over 500 #'s...... no exaggeration.

As Ruge put it.... "that one would one the tournament for someone if it was caught".

The things you see, when you don't have the camera out and ready.

Aside from that, it was a very rough and difficult day out on the water. The good news was no one got sick on our boat !!!!

3 to 5's, yeah right NOAA!!!

We'll try again when the weather calms down a bit.

Good Luck To All,

Fin-

Yeah Right !!!!

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From an earlier post on this trip



My good friend Terry has spoken and talked us back down off of the ledge....

We will think about going to the Fish Tails instead. That is pretty much in the range for our HS 2900 CC.

First trip to the Canyons in this boat, so we're looking forward to it. Now if the weather will cooperate.

Fin-
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But Davey, Can't we just buy the Tuna at Stop & Shop ?


LOL

[fin-chaser]

Yeah Right !!!!

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From an earlier post on this trip



My good friend Terry has spoken and talked us back down off of the ledge....

We will think about going to the Fish Tails instead. That is pretty much in the range for our HS 2900 CC.

First trip to the Canyons in this boat, so we're looking forward to it. Now if the weather will cooperate.

Fin-
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But Davey, Can't we just buy the Tuna at Stop & Shop ?


LOL

And your point is ??????

[fin-chaser]

Dave your right about the NOAA 3-5's. A guy on another site posted this. Apparently we ride well in heavy seas

Fishstory
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: East Longmeadow,Ma
Posts: 1,734

We were at the claw as you went by, didn't know it was you at the time, but now I do, couldn't believe how fast you were moving through those waves, boat looks like it handles real nice. We were the 28 Whaler Conquest, the conditons yesterday got real ugly, solid 7's and 8's for the a wet ride home!

Sent you a response on the other site.....just kidding of course.

[algdog]

[QUOTE=Fortunate One;385639]
What you really need is a single screw built down downeaster, to tow that rocket to the canyons. That will give you a mother boat to take home the mother load of fish. Or even better an older research vessel in need of a re-fit. Hell you could partner with a retired captain, send him down in the downeaster and meet him in 3 hours running in daylight.


don't worry about it too much, I left friday night in a 42 downeaster out of jersey. I luckily turned for home after 15 miles. too rough for me too. and I will say that boat does run good in any sea. but how much do I want to take, the boat can handle it. but my old bones don't want too. NOAA definately had the forcast wrong big time.

[Bigeye10]

And your point is ??????

Just because someone posts ALOT, doesnt mean they know ALOT