Who's to Blame

[fishskipper]

After growing up thirty miles from the site of this tragedy, this really hits close to home. Although it would be terrible wherever it might of happened. I'm sick of watching all the news blaming this one or that. Can you blame the university? Can you blame the police? Can you blame it on gun control? I don't think so. I think the real blame is on our government for not providing the needed help for the mentally ill.
I can tell you that its hard to get the help from dealing with it in my family. Not only are the drugs not available... There is not much money available for those affected. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking up for this mans problem,but I do think this could have been avoided if the proper help was available.
Sorry for my rant on this forum and maybe I should not have not put it on here, but this is really close to my heart and I felt like I had to put my thoughts out there.

Capt. Ron

[dirtyj]

Similar to Columbine, this animal did not just come up with this idea overnight. Scum like this nurture this behavior and due to the parents' ignorance of their child, this is the result. Those assholes @ Columbine showed years of signs toward what occurred and it was shown that the parents just didn't pay attention, or even worse, pretended not to see the signs.

Based on some of this animal's writings, there may have been some molestation in his past. If so, and if by the hand of his father, the father should be skinned alive. Regardless of abuse on this thing (I refuse to acknowledge it was human) the parents share blame in this. They had 23 years to monitor this situation which is a hell of a lot more time than any snap decision the university or police had to make.

[Bert Rodgers]

You can look at it from all angles and it comes down to this. The shooter alone is to blame.

Bert

[Bert Rodgers]

After growing up thirty miles from the site of this tragedy, this really hits close to home. Although it would be terrible wherever it might of happened. I'm sick of watching all the news blaming this one or that. Can you blame the university? Can you blame the police? Can you blame it on gun control? I don't think so. I think the real blame is on our government for not providing the needed help for the mentally ill.
I can tell you that its hard to get the help from dealing with it in my family. Not only are the drugs not available... There is not much money available for those affected. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking up for this mans problem,but I do think this could have been avoided if the proper help was available.
Sorry for my rant on this forum and maybe I should not have not put it on here, but this is really close to my heart and I felt like I had to put my thoughts out there.

Capt. Ron

Ron available help only helps those who seek it. I couldn't disagree more in blaming the gov. You can go to evey campus in the country and find oddballs and anti socials. What are they going to do? Snatch tham all up and make them conform to "Normal Behavior"

And how was his writing any different from 1/2 of the shit coming out of Hollywood or in some of the magazines you can buy at Barnes and Noble?

The blame is on the shooter. The gov. can't be expected to keep us safe.

Bert

[Caveman Sportfishing]

Who were the guidance conselor's,church officials or school teacher's that wrote letters of recomendation to the university when he applied. No one is going to convince me this kid did not have major problems going way back before he entered college. I have not seen any inverviews with high school classmates or teachers but I'm sure he exhibited bizarre behavior long ago. This kid should have been kicked out of college as the evidence I have seen strongly suggests he had the potential to harm himself or others. Would you want your kids being exposed to someone like him in the dorm situation with his track history of mental illness. There is no way to cure this type of mental illness except control it possibly with drugs. The mind is so complicated and you cannot give the brain antibotics and make it well as with infections or broken bones. What causes people to be aggresive or passive, right handed or left handed, child molesters, murders, high IQ's or low IQ's, with drawn or outgoing. I do not think any one on earth can really answer any of these questions and it makes me feel we have a long way to go trying to get answers how the brain actually functions. We need to start thinking about more programs to help the the mentally ill until we can find ways to actually cure them. I also feel that certain individuals belong off the street and in institutions to protect them from themselves and others and and personally do not give a damm about human rights and that crap if they are deemed dangers to society.
on a personal note I have a family member that suffers from mild delusions and it is contolled by medication but the best medicine is when we go fishing with together. This person has seen dozens of mental health professionals for the last 30 years and not one was ever able to help and prescription drugs have been the only answer long term in this case. Mental health is a very real issue in our country and we better start addressing it as there are many more out there that need help.

[WAHOONBOX]

THIS SAD ISSUE HAS FORCED ME TO NOT WATCH THE NEWS MEDIAS THAT HAVE PROFITEERED ON THE FMAILIES LOSS..


NACNY GRACE SHOULD BE RUN OUT OF TOWN AND TIED TO A WHIPPING POST

TO BLAME ANY AGENCY FOR THIS ITRAGEDY S ABSURB IN MY OPINION....HELL.....MAYBE WE SHOULD BLAME THE LIKES OF THE NANCY GRACES......

[Glenn W]

I think some may be mis understanding what Capt. Ron is trying to say---- there is no "blame" other than our society's refusal to properly acknowledge and deal with mental illness. I'm with you 100% Ron.
As for other blame games, I don't know all the facts and neither does anyone else yet---- including school and law enforcement.
Haste and pre-judgement will always lead to poor policy and decisions

[budddavid]

I believe that our society has been consistantly moving toward a policy that people are not directly responsible for their actions. There will always be cases of people with true mental afflictions that will cause strange behavior however as we search for a root cause or explanation of a tragedy or event we tend to take the blame away from the guilty and they become more of a result of their surroundings. By the time it is all said and done they are considered almost a victim of circumstance themselves and I do not find this acceptable in any way shape or form. I think this trend is a result of our criminal defense system and the success of defense lawyers to defend the guilty using explanations that no one would have bothered to even entertain 60 years ago. I firmly believe that people must be held responsible for their actions and this will serve as examples to society.

[h2orowe]

Not to stir anything up but: ALL IN HINESIGHT
I don't agree with alot that has been said in the media, I'm like Wahoo and I have stopped watching all the news, and am disgusted with nbc and all others that have displayed the video for ratings.
Not all "anti social" or "loners" are like him and to group all them together would be like blaming the asian community for this (stereotyping is wrong)
Not all prescription drugs help- for those that it has I'm glad but I see doctors handing drugs out like candy.
VA TECH did what they could do at the time to alert people, was it sufficient maybe not but what else really could they do with the info they had??? All in hinesite
Are the police to blame??? What could they do with the info they had???
Maybe locking down the campus immediately may have helped but what about the kids that were already in class??? Would it have safed lives?
If this guy wanted to do it he would have on another day.
VA TECH and the police may not of known who it was (this ealry in the game) had he not gone back and killed himself.
Is the govt to blame??? Maybe the govt doesn't have it stuff together as far as ourhealth plans (both mental and physical), but are they really to blame???
My opinion (for what it worth) is people need to start taking blame for THEIR actions. He pulled the trigger he DID this!!! Maybe someone could of helped him but maybe not!!!
The loss that the school and families of those that died (and been hurt) I cannot imagine to understand. I feel for all!!!! The country for that matter has suffered a massive loss.
What I don't get (maybe alittle) is why are asian's that go to all schools in the US (not just VA TECH) going home, their say their are scared for a backlash.??? I understand that a little but why run?? Doesn't that just make it worse? They say the are ashamed- I get that but why run? why not stay and show support.
My two sense!!!
What a horrible tragedy? We as a whole (the country the world) need to get our act together I'm tired of such horrible stuff going on around us.
Ok I'm not doen but I'll save the rest for myself.
Thanks for letting me rant.
I am not in anyway way someone elses opinions on this is wrong.!!! Please understand that!!!

[Capt. Jon Tennant]

The one that pulled the trigger is the only one to blame. I feel VT & the police did a horrible job & probably made things a lot worse in this situation than they had to be. After the first shooting it seems they would have locked down the whole campus till things got sorted out. They assumed it was a lovers rage & that they had their man while the shooter had free run on campus. I in no way blame them for this tragedy but I will condemn the way in which they handled it, and now every one is using this as an opportunity to push their agendas for gun control, media, $, etc..... just plain sicking. My thoughts and prayers go out to the students and families.