What Drives You Absolutely Crazy About Liberals?

[steelmonkey590]

I'ts not that liberals are ignorant. I'ts just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan

[hubris 1]

Originally Posted by eppefour

I don't like liberals or conservatives.

Liberals
1. want to give the house away
2. think everything is bad for the enviroment
3. ACLU types are anti prayer and anti pledge of allegiance
4. put more emphasis on equality than acheivement
5. are often weak on foreign affairs and defense

Conservatives
1. tend to not care for the lesser fortunate(even though they profess to be devout Christians, I find very little of the example of Christ in their actions)They are Hippocrites often.
2. tend to put profit over environment
3. become hysterical in their opposition to things they don' t like
4. tend toward limiting individual freedoms except gun control

Personally we need both extremes or we would have either a police state or a welfare state. The 2 extremes keep things headed toward the center.

What if you had to say a prayer and sign it to log on to sfc? Does that mean Im anti prayer? I just dont believe anyone has the right to tell me to do it. That dont make me a liberal. The ACLU has it right. also, dont be so sure all conservatives are christian. Go sit in a church parking lot and look at the people going in. Then go look at the bumper stickers on their cars. They aint conservatives.........Labels go on pill bottles,

[eppefour]

Originally Posted by hubris 1

What if you had to say a prayer and sign it to log on to sfc? Does that mean Im anti prayer? I just dont believe anyone has the right to tell me to do it. That dont make me a liberal. The ACLU has it right. also, dont be so sure all conservatives are christian. Go sit in a church parking lot and look at the people going in. Then go look at the bumper stickers on their cars. They aint conservatives.........Labels go on pill bottles,

True all conservatives are not christians nor are all christians conservative. However conservatives tend to play the Christianity card for votes, hence the hippocrisy.
I actually was more concerned with the pledge than prayer but ACLU seems to treat it as a single issue

[hubris 1]

well it really is the same issue. Throwing guys out of a ball game because they wont say the pledge or sing god bless america is dumb. Perhaps the real problem is the audience at a function like that is behaving like a bunch of idiots. If people say a prayer, I remain silent and still .......I just dont listen or pray. If they say the pledge, I do it. Its my choice but when they mandate it as do this or else then it becomes an issue. I agree, I think playing the christian card is dumb for conservatives. It becomes easy to label all conservatives as scary right wing quakers. There should be no substitute for thinking, standing the test no matter what peramiters are replaced in the scenario. But, I hear your point.

[eppefour]

Originally Posted by hubris 1

well it really is the same issue. Throwing guys out of a ball game because they wont say the pledge or sing god bless america is dumb. Perhaps the real problem is the audience at a function like that is behaving like a bunch of idiots. If people say a prayer, I remain silent and still .......I just dont listen or pray. If they say the pledge, I do it. Its my choice but when they mandate it as do this or else then it becomes an issue. I agree, I think playing the christian card is dumb for conservatives. It becomes easy to label all conservatives as scary right wing quakers. There should be no substitute for thinking, standing the test no matter what peramiters are replaced in the scenario. But, I hear your point.

All the Quakers I know are liberals and I know a lot of them.
I think too many American voters are single issue voters and don't consider all of the variables in an election.

[longfisher]

Certainly not all Christians are Republican. I have many Christian friends at the State Home who are anything but Republican.

But they are at the State Home for the...

Anyway, not to be distracted. The undoing of the Christians was the devolution (please note the sarcasm) of the "Religious Right". At one point about 20 years ago "some Christians" decided that in a strict departure from our past observance of secular governance Christian rightists should engage forcefully in the political process to advance their views rather than do so merely from the pulpit. It's been a disaster ever since.

That disaster culminated with the election of the ignorant SOB Bush who might have well been America's Ayotollah for the last 8 years. His obyssmal failures crystalized opposition to religious or semi-religious rule in the U.S. to the point that such an obliviously anti-secular president is unlikely to be elected ever again.

Of course, this put the religious right in disarray, thankfully.

Pray all you want to the God your choose. But keep you f***ing mouth shut about it when you're in my presence, in the presence of my family, in the schools or in the government. Most of us don't want to be bored by Christian superstitions anymore than we want to hear about Osama Bin Laden's precious Islam. And, you do yourselves a disservice by ramming it down our throats.

Just pipe down, OK?

LongFisher

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by longfisher

Pray all you want to the God your choose. But keep you f***ing mouth shut about it when you're in my presence, in the presence of my family, in the schools or in the government.

Just pipe down, OK?

LongFisher

Hey Longfisher- GOD IS GREAT!!!!! JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIGHT!!!! Sorry it offends you so much, but religious freedom is what our country was founded on. How dare you to tell to me to keep my ........ mouth shut, but have a great day anyway.

[longfisher]

I said keep you fucking mouth shut about it under certain circumstances, such circumstances as would tend to coerce me to have to listen to your innane superstitious BS.

Please read for comprehension.

Jesus was a con man, not unlike many others of his day. In my home, we don't honor con men. We denounce them as such.

I "pray" that one day the multitude of murderous religions of the earth are forever banned from human society. Rather than bringing enlightenment they have uniformly (but perhaps for confucionism, if that's a religion and not a philosophy) caused incredible harm to humanity.

Longfisher

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by longfisher

I said keep you fucking mouth shut about it under certain circumstances, such circumstances as would tend to coerce me to have to listen to your innane superstitious BS.

Please read for comprehension.

Jesus was a con man, not unlike many others of his day. In my home, we don't honor con men. We denounce them as such.

I "pray" that one day the multitude of murderous religions of the earth are forever banned from human society. Rather than bringing enlightenment they have uniformly (but perhaps for confucionism, if that's a religion and not a philosophy) caused incredible harm to humanity.

Longfisher

You show how profoundly uneducated you truly are. You have done an excellent job of removing your own mask to reveal who you truly are. You an angry and sad little man with little if any wisdom. How does it feel to be so empty inside? As I said before, "Have a great day!"

[nautiduck]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Hey Longfisher- GOD IS GREAT!!!!! JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIGHT!!!! Sorry it offends you so much, but religious freedom is what our country was founded on. How dare you to tell to me to keep my ........ mouth shut, but have a great day anyway.

Fritz its not so much that its offensive, (Although I wholeheartedly praise any and all such efforts to offend Dongfiddler, because his very existence offends me) I firmly defend the right of anyone to believe in any religion they so choose as long as it does not trample on the rights of others. I for one am a Pastafarian I believe in the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster and the constitution affords me that right. But you will never see me forcing such beliefs down anyones throats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

http://www.venganza.org/

My issue comes from the prostilyzing of those who would cram their beliefs down the throats of others. The contitution protects your rights to not have the govt dictate what religion you believe in or your beliefs in general. It has been upheld that it can limit the practices.

From the First Amendment of the Constitution.
“ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... "

However
In 1878, the Supreme Court was first called to interpret the extent of the Free Exercise Clause in Reynolds v. United States, as related to the prosecution of polygamy under federal law. The Supreme Court upheld Mr. Reynolds' conviction for bigamy, deciding that to do otherwise would provide constitutional protection for a gamut of religious beliefs, including those as extreme as human sacrifice. The Court said (at page 162): "Congress cannot pass a law for the government of the Territory which shall prohibit the free exercise of religion. The first amendment to the Constitution expressly forbids such legislation." Of federal territorial laws, the Court said: "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices."

Unfortunatley the Supreme Court has struck down any laws limiting prostilyzing. Thankfully it is illegal to in public schools and govt owned properties, and any private properties that are readily posted as such. So do the rest of us a favor believe what you want but quit trying to cram it down our throats.

Pasta Fazool to you all...