WE HAVE TO KILL TO PROTECT..........IS BS

[knot for shore]

listen, i'm not saying not to kill the attacking lion. of course you would. but to go and arbitrarily kill other lions "hoping" to get the killer is nonsense. equate it to a killer snake or bear or shark or spider or whatever. consequences folks...... known consequences of what may be around the corner anywhere in a certain known situation.

know this- man isn't the one ALWAYS in control. even though he may think he is and even though he may want to be. Just ask Steve Erwin or Sigfried or Roy.....

[Randy@BayMarine]

know this- man isn't the one ALWAYS in control. even though he may think he is and even though he may want to be. Just ask Steve Erwin or Sigfried or Roy.....

Agreed, Man has an Ego to think he is in controle!! Mother Nature will always prevail. On another note How tough is this guy & his 65 y/o WIFE who beat the dam thing off her husband???

[Glenn W]

listen, i'm not saying not to kill the attacking lion. of course you would. but to go and arbitrarily kill other lions "hoping" to get the killer is nonsense. equate it to a killer snake or bear or shark or spider or whatever. consequences folks...... known consequences of what may be around the corner anywhere in a certain known situation.

know this- man isn't the one ALWAYS in control. even though he may think he is and even though he may want to be. Just ask Steve Erwin or Sigfried or Roy.....

I see your point and agree that witch hunts are not proper. As I understand it from the detailed report in the Seattle Times, I think the Park officials are fairly confident "they got their cat"., very close to the area of the attack.

[knot for shore]

i'd say pretty tough! she musta beat the hell out of the thing to have it stop what it had set out to do.

yeah! man's ego is what is going to get him in trouble one day. i hate to say it, but that's why i love treacherous weather. because man can merely sit by a watch................

[Glenn W]

On another note How tough is this guy & his 65 y/o WIFE who beat the dam thing off her husband???

Actually a pretty good read in the Seattle Times, She beat the Cat with a 4" log while the Couger had her husband's head in its mouth. That didn't work so she grabbed a ball point pen and tried to poke out the cat's eyes until the pen broke. Then she went back to beating the shit out of the cat with the log

That's one bad ass mean ***** if ya ask me-----

[Bite Me]

Actually a pretty good read in the Seattle Times, She beat the Cat with a 4" log while the Couger had her husband's head in its mouth. That didn't work so she grabbed a ball point pen and tried to poke out the cat's eyes until the pen broke. Then she went back to beating the shit out of the cat with the log

That's one bad ass mean ***** if ya ask me-----

Poor little pussy cat..............

[flatbottom]

I have acquaintances that bought a house in Wyoming for hunting. The night they arrived was cold and dark. The next home was maybe 10 miles away. This is a wide open area. @ 4.00 am the next morning they here a rumble getting louder and louder out side. Awaken, they look to see what is there. Cattle being driven through their property was the noise. Going outside, a fellow on a horse was waved down and asked to come over to the home. He was a weather beaten old cus. The fellow asked when they had arrived. He wanted to know because the home was vacant for so long. The couple had bought the home many months before and just had time to visit their new hunting camp.

Asking the fellow a few questions the owner pointed to scratches on the outside walls around the windows and needed an answer for his wife. She had heard noises in the night but did not want to alarm her husband. The rancher fellow had seen this before and said that was claw marks from mountain lions and a good thing you did not go outside. The wife did not go back to this hone in Wyoming ever again. The cattle went by for 10 minutes and the rancher left in the dust.

This is Not like the area I live in. Greasy geese and red fox is all we have around here

[Tower Todd]

Possibly I can add some perspective. I live in Western Washington in the foothills of the Cascade Mountain Range. In 1997 the animal huggers were able to get enough signatures to enact a ban on all hound hunting in the state. An adult Cougar (mountain Lion) will eat 40-50 adult deer per year. There are no natural predators to Cougars except for man. Since the introduction of this hound hunting ban the deer population here has plummeted. I used to see deer frequently and now I'm lucky to see a few per year. As the deer popluation dropped the the cougars have moved out of the mountains into the foothills and now into the suburbs. Now don't get me wrong, I don't blame these predators for trying to find food, but by allowing the controlled harvest as in the past the cougars were thinned to a point where there were enough deer for thier survival in the mountains. I've personally had cougars in my yard twice in the last 10 years. Once my dogs treed a young male and a second time we saw one in the brush. My next door neighbor's wife has a specialty wool business and has had 1/2 of her flock of sheep killed in 2 separate years. She locks them in a small pen right next to the house and they still manage to get in, kill a sheep and get out before they can load the shotgun.
Due to the drastic increase in cougar attacks and sightings in city neighborhoods, the State Legislature passed an ammendment a few years ago allowing for control hound hunts when there are a certain number of complaints for a given area. Yes they have tried to dart and relocate problem individuals, but guess what?....they almost always return.
There is a two cougar limit in this state and a resident can buy a cougar tag for $5. The problem is that you could hunt your entire life and never see a cougar while foot hunting. They primarly hunt at night or early morning / late evening. The only effective way to target cougars is with hounds. By the way it is also selective as the cougar is treed and a detirmination is made wether to shoot the cat or not. Treeing a cougar is not a given in a hound hunt as they do routinley escape before being treed. I have not participated in a cougar hound hunt, but have talked to the hound hunters while I was out deer hunting on several occasions (prior to ban) and in Idaho where it is still legal (by the way...how many cougar problems do you hear of from Idaho?)
I know California is in the same boat as Washington with their hound hunting laws and have had even more attacks, close encounters than we have.
Trust me when I say "you don't want a cougar in your neighborhood" especially if you have children. I think the majority of the problems could be avoided with the return of some reasonable hunting sesons. Keep in mind that there are not many folks who could even carry out a hound hunt as there are not many left who hound hunt. Hope this helps.

Tower Todd

[shoefish]

Great info Tower Todd. Being from the East I don't hear much about the big cat population except for the animal rights activists who say they're all but extinct. It's good to hear the other side of the story.

[Deep C]

Down here the problem child is gators... Once they get comfortable around humans they're spoiled for good. If its say mating season and one accidently stumbles into occupied areas. They will be removed and taken far out in the wild... If one sets up camp in some neighborhood. Those ones are destroyed.

Its not nice but if they get comfortable around humans they don't belong. All too often you hear about neighborhood kids having a "pet" gator living in say a sewer pipe. They feed it and it gets complacent. Then a kid comes in that doesn't know to feed it and it takes a nip when he doesn't. In the case mentioned here it was adults. What if it was a couple kids out for a walk and one gets dead the next time. Ugly or not what was done needs to be done from time to time.

I see it iin all kinds of situations. My wife is from South Africa. People out on the preserves started feeding baboons. Harmless enough or so you would think. So the baboons got over their fear of people,,, Then they went the other way. Getting pushy even. Eventually it got so they attacked picnicers, hikers, anybody,,, just to get at that food. Eventually they had to send in the pro hunters and start blasting em...

I had a squirrel that I used to leave peanuts for. He started comming to me when I'd come out. Then he got in the game of jumpong off the low part of the roof onto my shoulder, run down my arm and take the nut. That was cute but sometimes I was just going out to the store or work and didn't have one. The little ******* started to bite if I didn't feed him so that relationship came to lets say an abrupt end...