Scandal BY World Cat and Town Creek Marina

[worldcat lemon]

Fellas, I think the bottom line is, some owners are happy with their boats and the manufacturers fix any problems, and other owners from the same manufacturers get a royal screw job when it comes to their boat and the way the manufacturer treats them.

It would be unfair for a Toyota Sequoia owner to bash a Prius owner when the Prius owners accelerator stuck and crashed into a Jersey barrier, when the Sequoia owner says he has never had a problem. Bottom line is, if a manufacturer builds a defective product the manufacturer should be responsible for fixing any damage that results from the defect. Be it engines, turbos, starters, fenders, accelerators etc... whether it is under warranty or not. At least that's how I see it.

Toyota has always made great products, and I own 4 of the old FJ40's and I love the way they were built, but even a great company can screw up as we are seeing.

World Cat builds a nice boat but when they build one that is unsafe and defective, they should step up and fix them or buy them back to get the danger off the water. Why wait til someone has to raise a stink, start a lawsuit, or die before they step up and do the right thing. Dannyacat, I am always willing to help a company with free advertising when they ignore their responsibility and owners are stuck with the bucket full of ________. You fill in the blank

[Big Fish Billy]

Toyota...welcome to my world, my wife has a 2008, about 35,000 trouble free miles, just got a recall to have her carpets looked at, I went out with a ruler, they are 7" from the accelerator pedal, when will they finally admit the computers are defective, I don't blame them they'll need to replace 8,000,000 but for heaven's sake, step up to the plate...if I get stopped for speeding in my 2000 Honda Accord, I'm going to tell the officer that my accelerator got stuck because I park too close to my wife's Toyota...might work, right? Here's another good one, my wife brought our 86 Isuzu Trooper in for a brake job at Meineke, the guys did a horrible job, the car sounded like a tractor trailer truck when she got home, when she called to complain, the guy gave her some lip...well I had her take it to a neighboring town's Meineke, their guy said "I'll fix it if you'll right a letter to the headquarters." Well I did and the Meineke Company pulled the original guys franchise...Something like what should have happened in your case WCL.......

[worldcat lemon]

Toyota...welcome to my world, my wife has a 2008, about 35,000 trouble free miles, just got a recall to have her carpets looked at, I went out with a ruler, they are 7" from the accelerator pedal, when will they finally admit the computers are defective, I don't blame them they'll need to replace 8,000,000 but for heaven's sake, step up to the plate...if I get stopped for speeding in my 2000 Honda Accord, I'm going to tell the officer that my accelerator got stuck because I park too close to my wife's Toyota...might work, right? Here's another good one, my wife brought our 86 Isuzu Trooper in for a brake job at Meineke, the guys did a horrible job, the car sounded like a tractor trailer truck when she got home, when she called to complain, the guy gave her some lip...well I had her take it to a neighboring town's Meineke, their guy said "I'll fix it if you'll right a letter to the headquarters." Well I did and the Meineke Company pulled the original guys franchise...Something like what should have happened in your case WCL.......

BFB, the problem in the marine industry is the manufacturers have had it too easy for too long. There are very few checks and balances and when states don't have "Lemon Laws" for boats, who will hold manufacturers accountable? BTW, North Carolina does not have lemon laws for boats, do you think that is why WC pulled Glacier Bay to Tarboro?

Also, the scam pushed by the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) and aided by manufacturers who claim that NMMA "Certification" means something is scamming the boat buying public. NMMA is a "fee to join" organization that manufacturers basically pay for "Certification". NMMA also gives "Customer Service" awards to manufacturers who pay their annual fees, to make their business look impressive to boat buyers. NMMA is nothing more than a marketing scheme to fool consumers. According to Tom Marhevko (V.P. of engineering at NMMA) "the NMMA is not a consumer protection advocate", "we are here for the manufacturers".

Listen, manufacturers have to build boats to ABYC and U.S. Coast Guard standards, and the NMMA has ABSOLUTELY NO POWER TO MAKE A MANUFACTURER DO ANYTHING. So don't be scammed by a builder who boasts that their boats are NMMA Certified, it is nothing more than a marketing scam. If NMMA Certification had any merits, how did the NMMA surveyor miss these non-ABYC, non-watertight hatches on the 2004 diesel model World Cat 270 HTS?

Does anyone know what the HTS stands for?

H-hatches
T-that
S-suck

Isn't that prophetic?

Well World Cat has gotten away with not stepping up, and consumers need to be wary of manufacturers that make a guy have to sue them to get justice. At least Toyota has enough integrity to ADMIT there is a problem.

[worldcat lemon]

Guess Worldcat has enough money to buy their competitors but not take care of their customers.

World Cat parent buying Glacier Bay

Its a shame, this happens all the time. Almost every dealer has some trade that they need to make disappear, one way or another. Unfortunately some poor soul gets stuck with the nightmare and the dealers books might break even.

Thankfully I do not have to deal with this. I am not forced to sell any POS that a dealer/broker might hold. If there is something that makes me feel weird and fuzzy I walk away. Its not worth it to me to damage my reputation or my beliefs just to make a paycheck.

World cat should step up to the plate and take care of this. Its an absolute design flaw. Luhrs had a similar problem years ago with their lazarette hatches allowing water from when you backdown in to the bilge all over your underwater gear. Sounds like something Luhrs would pull.

I have worked with a lot of manufacturers and there are some that do care about their products and consumers even after the sale. Even if its been resold 20 times over. Then there is manufacturers that say not my problem.

Again just another reason for my choice to sell what I sell and do what I do!

Good luck.

Mary, You have been in the boat industry awhile so how is it auto manufacturers are held accountable when they make mistakes but boat manufacturers have little to no regulatory body's governing them. Obviously the NMMA is powerless to do anything, that is like the fox watching the hen house, and it takes a lawsuit to make a boat manufacturer act responsibly. At least in this case that is the apparent method of operation, in my opinion.

It is a good thing for Toyota owners that Toyota is being held responsible, or we would see it on www.toyotacarssuck.com or some other site, not to mention lawsuits.

In a way I hope the economy continues to crash so that maybe the entire marine industry will clean the skeletons out of the closets, and the industry garbage is taken out, whatever that is.

I think it's time to clean house!!!!!

[worldcat lemon]

Here's a conclusion I came to after dealing with Tom Marhevko, V.P of engineering at NMMA and Robert Newsome, his companion in crime;

David Camp to Tom
show details 6/28/09


Tom,

After reviewing the e-mails between us, you made one statement that is confusing to me. You stated the information contained in the survey from the inspector is owned by the manufacturer, but NMMA is the one who is paying the inspector. So if NMMA pays the inspector the inspection records would in reality be the property of NMMA, unless somebody is bending the truth here somehow. Is this how it works? Or is the manufacturer actually paying the surveyor, to obtain the desired results they want on a particular vessel, to get the all elusive "NMMA CERTIFICATION". This all smells the way it looks....fishy.

NMMA is the fox organization that sends out these certifications to farmers saying "if you use our foxes they will protect your chickens, because they are certified and have been inspected to be in compliance with all applicable laws, statutes, and regulations pertaining to the safety of your fowl. Matter of fact we feed the foxes so we know they will not devour your chickens." However when a fox sneaks a bite out of a chicken, you, the fox organization, blame it on the sexy feathers she was wearing or you tell the farmer that we can't show you how well that fox scored on his psychological evaluation, for his desire to eat chickens, because it is proprietary information." The fact is that fox only passed his psych eval. by 1/2 a point. This fox association will be exposed for all the internet to see, so that other unsuspecting chicken farmers don't get their chickens eaten by overindulgent foxes.

See ya at KFC for some finger-lickin-good stuff,

Dave Camp
EX-WORLD CAT owner and proud of it.

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Tom Marhevko to me
show details 5/14/09


David,
The NMMA is the trade association for the recreational boating industry in the U.S. It has members who in turn pay a membership fee. You can learn about the association from our website, www.nmma.org

Thomas Marhevko
VP
NMMA Engineering Standards Department
Direct: 1-312-946-6213
Fax: 1-312-946-0388
E-mail: tmarhevko@nmma.org
Web: www.nmma.org




People, the NMMA is nothing more than a boat industry marketing organization that tries to fool you into thinking "NMMA Certification" has some value.....it has none except for the manufacturers who are trying to sell you their boats!

The NMMA is not concerned with the quality of the boats you buy, they put on a good show like they are, but underneath the outward show, all they want is to be able to enlist boat manufacturers in their NMMA group to get their membership dues. It is not about safe boats, it's about making money off of consumers, by pulling the old "CERTIFICATION SCAM"!

The NMMA pays their inspectors with the dues from the manufacturer, and the manufacturers boats always seem to get "certified", and the boats are sold to us. How did the NMMA inspector, Mr. Tim Pitts, miss the hatch problem on the 2004 World Cat HTS model? I have asked to see Mr. Pitts' inspection report but it is shrouded in secrecy. I suspect if it were released it would show the NMMA scam I have uncovered. I have had 3 surveyors, 2 fiberglass guys, and 3 Volvo certified mechanics look at my boat and within 5 minutes they all agreed the hatches are the worst they have seen in the boat industry. I got scammed. So my friend, beware of boat manufacturers and sales people who push the value of the NMMA and it's certification.......you are getting scammed!!!!

[worldcat lemon]

How about this piece of man candy

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Don't know if these are all employees at a certain boat manufacturer, but they are certainly happy about the boat show. Looks like they want a "C" trial.

Where's my buddy canyongear? These are from his personal photo archives. Love to see more of his Miami pics.

[worldcat lemon]

Let me take a minute to remind you of these statements with a few photos.

Miami Boat show 2010

[Big Fish Billy]

I think I'll stick with looking at boats.......

[worldcat lemon]

I think I'll stick with looking at boats.......

Sorry BFB, those pics are for my pal Canyongear. he says they are from his favorite website of the Miami "toy" boat show???

I'm with you, I'd rather look at boats, just not World Cat lemons or half baked World Cat diesel attempts. I hear Mr. Brown is considering another diesel model. Did he not learn his lesson the first go round? He simply can't do it, he doesn't have the experience, skill, Know how, but he does have a good partner in hiding information about problem boats....his friend Volvo Penta of the America's in Virginia. They are two of a kind.

Do you think "Bear Cat Scat" would give WC good boat model name recognition? I bet NYbearhunter might like the name?

[marine4003]

Sorry BFB, those pics are for my pal Canyongear. he says they are from his favorite website of the Miami "toy" boat show???

I'm with you, I'd rather look at boats, just not World Cat lemons or half baked World Cat diesel attempts. I hear Mr. Brown is considering another diesel model. Did he not learn his lesson the first go round? He simply can't do it, he doesn't have the experience, skill, Know how, but he does have a good partner in hiding information about problem boats....his friend Volvo Penta of the America's in Virginia. They are two of a kind.

Do you think "Bear Cat Scat" would give WC good boat model name recognition? I bet NYbearhunter might like the name?

Not much to look at..went to 3 boat shows this year and 4 last year,new addition to the family means buying bigger , nothing but crap out there..expensive crap, i am by no means a boatbuilder but have restored over 10 older Mako's..BW's..Chris Craft and even a Hacker,for there day well built,solid,but never have i seen such overpriced crap in my life,pure fishing boats have great selection..family craft....crap.