Scandal BY World Cat and Town Creek Marina

[d-a]

After the insurance totaled my lemon dungpile, I mean boat, it was put on the insurance auction block and sold to some poor sucker in British Columbia for $26k.

Funny thing is I have a friend who buys vehicles off the same auction site it was sold on and I was able to watch the auction in real time.

I feel bad for the guy. Now he will get the displeasure of trying to get info from W.C. headquarters about it and he is going to get the same run-around I did. I feel really, really bad for him.

If he ever happens to stumble on this thread it would probably depress him into giving up fishing. Hey BC buddy, if it were me I would take it to local high schools and charge a dollar a whack, with a sledge hammer. Maybe you could get your money back, and it would certainly be more reliable than if you put it in the water. Very interesting indeed.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DONT CARE

d-a

[nautiduck]

After the insurance totaled my lemon dungpile, I mean boat, it was put on the insurance auction block and sold to some poor sucker in British Columbia for $26k.

Funny thing is I have a friend who buys vehicles off the same auction site it was sold on and I was able to watch the auction in real time.

I feel bad for the guy. Now he will get the displeasure of trying to get info from W.C. headquarters about it and he is going to get the same run-around I did. I feel really, really bad for him.

If he ever happens to stumble on this thread it would probably depress him into giving up fishing. Hey BC buddy, if it were me I would take it to local high schools and charge a dollar a whack, with a sledge hammer. Maybe you could get your money back, and it would certainly be more reliable than if you put it in the water. Very interesting indeed.

Gee if your such a stand up guy why didnt you tell the buyer about all your problems. So now that your saga is over does that mean your going to quit whining? You know what I dont understand especially about the trailer is that it says on the sticker exactly what the trailer is rated for, and its pretty easy to find out the weight of the boat, actually you should know that just to be legal going down the road. Or are you one of those priveledged few who expects everyone else to take responsibilty for your actions and just goes for it? Never mind we already know the answer to that question. What a drama queen. Hopefully you'll go away now.

[teddyp]

The best thing about this thread was the comedy clip from youtube. That is some funny shit right there. As for the World cat stuff, I couldn't care less. Sometimes you get served Lemons and you my friend are just sucking them.

[worldcat lemon]

First of all I did check the weight of the boat. World Cat reported to NADA that this model weighed 5,000 lbs dry. So I did check it prior to purchase! TCM failed to follow the trailer manufacturers guideline to weigh boat and trailer together to ensure compatibility, and they didn't. How is it World Cat can report such a large discrepency in the weight to NADA? I could understand 500 or even a thousand pounds discrepency, but 4,000 lbs?

This boat empty, with 75 gallons of fuel (half full ) weighed 9,540 lbs. So who screwed up here? That is 340 lbs above the GVW max of the trailer. Add gear, fuel, ice and it will be over 2k lbs. over.

Nautiduck, first of all it was an on-line auction and if you know how those work there is no interaction between bidders. If it had been a live auction I would have told anyone interested in the boat the problems. Whether you think I am a stand-up guy or not is irrelevant to me, as is your opinion. I could care less if you or anyone else doesn't like my thread.

Everything I have written is accurate and straight. But thanks for reading.

[worldcat lemon]

> Friday, July 3
> BY lori wynn
> NEWS-TIMES
> beaufort — Town Creek Marina has been named in a civil
> case filed by a Virginia man alleging the marina committed
> breaches of contract and fraud, was deceptive and more when
> selling the plaintiff a $100,000 catamaran.
>
> Kevin Spector of Henrico County, Va., filed a civil
> complaint in Carteret County Superior Court in April against
> Volvo Penta of the Americas Inc., HC Composites LLC and
> Conscience Bay LLC, doing business as Town Creek Marina, for
> incidents that occurred during and after the time he bought
> in 2005 a 2004 27-foot 270 HTS World Cat catamaran.
>
> Mr. Spector ended up selling the boat to David Camp of
> Washington state who has also incurred various problems. Mr.
> Camp told The News-Times he plans to pursue his own
> litigation against Town Creek Marina and World Cat boats.
>
> Mr. Spector bought the boat from Volvo Penta through Town
> Creek Marina, an authorized dealer and agent for Volvo Penta
> and HC Composites/World Cat, who designed and manufactured
> the boat.
> Mr. Spector is suing Town Creek and Volvo Penta for breach
> of contract for $65,000; HC Composites for breach of express
> warranty for $65,000; and all three companies for breach of
> implied warranty of merchantability for $65,000.
>
> Additionally, he is also suing the three companies for
> fraud, negligent misrepresentation and unfair and deceptive
> trade practices for $10,000 for each count, as well as court
> and attorney fees.
> According to the complaint, when Mr. Spector considered
> buying the boat, he was told it could travel to the Norfolk
> Canyon about 70 miles offshore, troll for deep sea fish and
> still have “plenty of fuel left over at the end of a deep
> sea excursion.”
>
> He was also told the boat’s twin engines “tied
> together” would “ensure better alignment” and “would
> travel faster and have better fuel range” than his
> previous boat, a 2000 World Cat 266 SC.
> Based on Town Creek Marina’s representation of the boat,
> as well as a sales brochure that described specific
> characteristic, features and performance capabilities of the
> boat and a boat listing on a sales Web site, Mr. Spector
> bought the boat in mid-April 2005.
>
> But by August 2005, Mr. Spector began to have problems with
> the boat, including water penetrating the hatches meant to
> protect the two Volvo engines.
> “The water leakage caused engine turbo problems and
> significant corrosion and mold to develop within the
> boat,” the complaint states. “The turbo filter would
> collapse and cause that particular engine to shut down until
> the filter was replaced, leaving the boat unable to travel
> more than approximately 5 miles per hour using only one
> engine.
>
> “The water leakage also caused permanent damage to the
> port side engine, which failed on more than one occasion and
> had to be replaced.”
> The complaint contends that the design of the hatch —
> with a drain located above the water level — was
> ineffective and “resulted in a series of mechanical and
> related problems that rendered (the boat) defective,
> unseaworthy, unsafe and unusable.”
>
> Though Volvo Penta, HC Composites and Town Creek Marina
> tried to repair the boat, but was unsuccessful. And then in
> 2007, with the problems still occurring, Mr. Spector was
> told HC Composites would fix the hatch but with a caveat.
>
> “Spector was also advised HC Composites would not warrant
> the repaired boat but instead would consider liability for
> future problems on a case-by-case basis,” the complaint
> states.
> Thinking the boat was repaired, Mr. Spector, through Town
> Creek Marina, sold the boat for $65,000. The new owner later
> told Mr. Spector that the hatch defect is still a
> problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> Friday, July 10
> BY lori wynn
> NEWS-TIMES
> beaufort — Town Creek and other defendants named in a
> lawsuit regarding the sale of a $100,000 catamaran have
> denied all allegations of breaches of contract, fraud and
> more.
>
> Conscience Bay LLC, doing business as Town Creek Marina, as
> well as Volvo Penta of the Americas Inc. and HC Composites
> LLC, are defendants in a civil complaint filed in April with
> the Carteret County Superior Court by Kevin Spector of
> Henrico County, Va., for incidents that occurred during and
> after the time Mr. Spector bought in 2005 a 2004 27-foot 270
> HTS World Cat catamaran.
>
> Mr. Spector bought the boat from Volvo Penta through Town
> Creek Marina, an authorized dealer and agent for Volvo Penta
> and HC Composites/World Cat, who designed and manufactured
> the boat.
> Mr. Spector is suing Town Creek and Volvo Penta for breach
> of contract for $65,000; HC Composites for breach of express
> warranty for $65,000; and all three companies for breach of
> implied warranty of merchantability for $65,000.
>
> Additionally, he is also suing the three companies for
> fraud, negligent misrepresentation and unfair and deceptive
> trade practices for $10,000 for each count, as well as court
> and attorney fees.
> However, in answers to the complaint, filed June 11 and 12,
> Town Creek Marina, Volvo Penta and HC Composites deny the
> allegations based on terms of warranty and more.
>
> The case was ordered June 30 to mediation, the current
> deadline for which is Oct. 26.
> According to Mr. Spector’s complaint, a defect in the
> hatches of the boat’s two Volvo engines that allowed water
> leakage “resulted in a series of mechanical and related
> problems that rendered (the boat) defective, unseaworthy,
> unsafe and unusable.”
>
> The complaint claims that attempted repairs to the hatch
> were unsuccessful.
> Mr. Spector ended up selling the boat to David Camp of
> Washington state who has also incurred various problems. Mr.
> Camp told The News-Times he plans to pursue his own
> litigation against the defendants though no suit has yet
> been filed.

[seapower]

I think we've all got it now. We know you have a serious axe to grind here, with the above mentioned. I think I speak for quite a few on here, Please Move On. Frank

[Big Fish Billy]

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DONT CARE

d-a

I think we've all got it now. We know you have a serious axe to grind here, with the above mentioned. I think I speak for quite a few on here, Please Move On. Frank

Gee if you don't want to read the guys thread, don't read it, you don't have any right to tell him what to post...move on yourself and read some of the ridiculous ones....9,464 views shows someone is interested.....even you.....

[d-a]

Gee if you don't want to read the guys thread, don't read it, you don't have any right to tell him what to post...move on yourself and read some of the ridiculous ones....9,464 views shows someone is interested.....even you.....

Its not that I wanted to read it , but it would have been nice if the 167 posts in this thread were of a productive nature geared towards fishing

d-a

[seapower]

Guess you're right! Let's hear some more. Frank

[worldcat lemon]

You know I have found in life that some people (usually liberals ) feel that only their opinion matters and they have every right to express it. Kind of like liberals who bash President Bush from all angles, but they don't want anyone with reasoning skills to give an opinion about Obama.

Glad to see someone who understands that a forum is for free expression of information, and ideas from whomever wishes to express them, and those who don't like a thread can move to one of the other 5,000 threads. Looks like somebody has an interest, like you said.

Going to hit some Kings and Silvers in the morning. May post some pics if the rivers don't blow out.

I hope this thread can spare on prospective boat buyer the headaches I have had to deal with by this thread. If I can help one purchaser avoid boat manufacturers, and sales people that treat boat purchasers in ways that are questionable then the time I put into the thread is worth it.

Fishermen helping fishermen. This is what my thread is all about.