Scandal BY World Cat and Town Creek Marina

[Sea Draggin]

What do you guys think? Add some curtains, a few rod storage ideas I have and spiff up the wrap a little with a sportfishermen.com logo and some fish.

[worldcat lemon]

I know a guy who has one with twin diesels, and under 300 hours he would sell you real cheap! Of course you would have to pull engines, get an Armstrong bracket for twin outboards, do a heck of alot of glass work, remove the worthless Volvo components, take the lemon colored paint off it and you'd have your boat. Actually, I've heard a yellow hull attracts fish to the jigs.

[marine4003]

Box gave me an idea..buy an old good humor icecream truck and sell sushi instead...i'll do my IPO here on spm first...any takers? $250 a share to start..get 'em now..this is gonna be big !!!

Buy 3 or more shares..get an diesel inboard WC..VOLVO,no less.

[worldcat lemon]

Fisherlady,

Did Andrew Brown at World Cat ever comment on the fact that the hatch design is a safety issue that could result in boater fatalities or put people at risk?

When your relatives purchased their World cat with diesels was there ever any conversations between Andrew and your family about what the cause of the engine failure that had occured in the boat they rode on as the demo on the West coast? As I found out later, your relatives actually rode on that boat before it blew the port motor, and the leaking hatches were never fixed as the owner before me found out, and as I found out. Did World Cat know what caused the engine to fail?

So what do you think of a boat manufacturer who knows a SERIOUS problem exists but does not pull the boat back in and fix it, but rather puts it back into the market with the design flaw. World cat hoped these boats would simply just go away. So your family has a boat with 266 hours on it and it doesn't run? I guess Volvo products just simply do not stand up to the rigors of the salt water environment. Maybe World Cat was experimenting with a new Eco-friendly concept to make diesels eat salt water, hoping the motors would adapt and like salt water! I guess they were under the Princeton impression that salt water could become the "NEW BIODIESEL". Well, it doesn't work so scrap the idea World Cat and Volvo before more suckers get stuck with salt eaten components.

Fisherlady, did you hear World Cat is thinking about building a bigger boat and using diesels again? Can you imagine, they couldn't make it work the first time so they want to try again. Boy, I hate to think of the poor guys that end up buying the "NEW DIESEL" models and how their stories will read on sfc.com in a few years. Maybe this is why Volvo will not provide engine histories and service records because they are looking at future product sales to World Cat and somehow they are protecting World Cat.

Hey, did your family ever request the engine service records from Volvo? What happened? Volvo would not provide them to my mechanics on my boat...some kind of problem with hiding info I think.

[Deep C]

I have only kind of followed this passingly. Whining doesn't get a lot of my limited attention. The last post though did touch a nerve... The "V" word was used.

The suggestion that they are in the clear of being part of the problem doesn't hold water with me. I watched in horror some of their putrid pass the buck and duck the questions first hand several times. Possible that the hatches leak. Also possible that Volvo has once again provided the public a potential grenade wrapped all nice and neat in a steel package.

During one of my nightmare go arounds with them I got an eight week education on not only do they ignore problems, let them reach consumers, but actually have gone out of their way in a couple cases to engineer failure points right into their goods. Most of the time these things let go out of warranty but sometimes as was our case they show up during.

I can't speak to world cat but any company that charges me $15 for a "Volvo" spark plug that is in fact a $3 autolite, I have little confidence in their honesty levels. When they design an o-ring to set in a recessed "divot" that is a gathering point for various cruds that will surely cause the oring and subsequent injector failure to further cause a valve to throw, I'm not going to soon forget...

[canyongear]

WorldCat,
I have a couple questions:

Did you seatrial this boat with the surveyor and an engine surveyor on board?

A marine surveryor does not do engine surveys.

An engine surveyor would have DQ's the boat, the engines or both based on what you have described. Why didn't that happen.?

Did you have an engine surveyor go thru the engines?

Did you personally pick up the engine hatches and look at the engines.?

All of the above prior to buying the boat?

YES or NO answers would be fine. No need to write another novel.

[worldcat lemon]

No I did not hire an engine surveyor or mechanic, since the engines only had 150 hours, who would have guessed there would be this level of problems. Plus, the World Cat broker told me it was in like new condition with so few hours on it.

I did look at the top of the engines, but very little can be seen due to the engine cover, but when the Port engine was out my surveyor did not note or take pics of all the exposed rust and corrosion.

Believe me I know I made errors in this deal and the biggest was trusting a World Cat sales representative/distributor.

However, Fisherlady's family bought a brand new boat and they have the same problems I ended up having, and World Cat will not step up to the plate and take care of the guy who paid for a boat that failed out of the gate.

[canyongear]

Okay,
1. You didn't seatrial the boat.
2. You didn't hire an engine surveyor.
3. You didn't get down in the engine compartment and look for yourself at the state or condition of the engines.
4. You didn't have the engines surveyed or an oil analysis done.
5. The vessel was used you knew that.

Im done. Sucks your having these problems.

[Sea Draggin]

I didn't plan on putting outriggers on the Eastern Tackle version of my cat, that is once World Cat sees the light and sponsors me, but to pull some Canyon Gear occasionally between deep drop spots, that just might be the trick.

High speed troll inshore and pull lures for big game offshore. I can get with that Plan. What do think Zack?

Hopefully World Cat will see the light and realize that jiggers are very loyal to their brands.

[Fisherlady]

You've got a tough audience, Mr. Camp.

However, I think there is much more responsibility expected from a manufacturer, engine and vessel makers, as well as an authorized dealer, than what they hound you about, as far as your consumer responsibilities, go.

Even if a potential boat buyer knows next to nothing about a product and wishes to purchase it.

The only thing between you and that product is what they tell you and what the contract states. Most of us do not even read our contracts. We trust what we are told when we are honest people.

What is the basis of law?

The basis of law is to keep businesses, companies, individuals and society, as a whole, in check, with being honest.

It certainly isn't your fault - I disagree with your critics - that it is all on you for having bought the boat you decided to buy. I think you've been lied to high heaven, throughout the entire process of purchasing it.

The same with my relative's, but his boat was brand new.

How can a used vessel with under 150 hours and the same World Cat Diesel 270 with Twin Diesel Volvo Penta D3-160 inboard engines, which is new, both experience the same problems?

There's a chasm that runs so deep between what you know is truthful and right and then a valley of subtle deception,
con-artistry, I'm-one-fine-talking-salesperson, plus written contracts that are difficult for the average person to comprehend; -- and up from that valley is the ultimate end ... the cheater completes his task of cheating the honest consumer.

I see that that is exactly what happened to you. And, my relative. There's no difference. The boats didn't work right consistently. I go as far as believing that I think it's a fantastic cover-up. They're all washing their hands of this because they believe they've gotten away with it. WC, VP and any dealers that knowingly sold these problem boats.

If your laughing critics walked in your shoes and had gotten what you or mine ended up with, they'd never criticize another boater's purchase decision, the rest of their days!