Sarah Palin

[Ace1st]

Tanks IGGY.....been called alot of things in my day but never WEIRD. Weeeell I NEVER!! SORRY.... my country boy intellect is so hard to understand. But obviously....once again! You dont get it!

But "Just FOR YOU"......."THE WE" in regards to my "quote" is the "THE LEFT" as outlined in my HYPOTHETICAL quandry. And "THE YOU" would be "THE WOLF" which "THE LEFT" would be shouting at to stop tearin little Fee Fee apart.

Now I hope that this brings some clarity to what "YOU' were feeling? But dont be confused that in the misconception that "I" was referring to "YOU" particularly. Because "I" was not!

I realize and accept your twisted sense of realism and have come to the conclusion that "YOU" cant help it!

Ace

'we protected you' (your quote). Who is we? Who is you? You have some weird notions about this stuff.

Personally, I kind of dig the incredibly rare instances where apex predators get the better of humans. Given that they are losing the war its nice to see them win a battle from time-to-time (although they pay an awful price for it).

If we had wolves where I live (and they may jsut come back, I hope they do) and one of my dogs gets killed it is my fault, not the wolves.

[joeksr]

Tanks IGGY.....been called alot of things in my day but never WEIRD. Weeeell I NEVER!! SORRY.... my country boy intellect is so hard to understand. But obviously....once again! You dont get it!

But "Just FOR YOU"......."THE WE" in regards to my "quote" is the "THE LEFT" as outlined in my HYPOTHETICAL quandry. And "THE YOU" would be "THE WOLF" which "THE LEFT" would be shouting at to stop tearin little Fee Fee apart.

Now I hope that this brings some clarity to what "YOU' were feeling? But dont be confused that in the misconception that "I" was referring to "YOU" particularly. Because "I" was not!

I realize and accept your twisted sense of realism and have come to the conclusion that "YOU" cant help it!

This sounds like a perfect example of.

I know you believe you understood
what you thought I said.
But, I'm not sure you realize
that what you heard is not what I meant.

[seapower]

I think Ms.Judd was just flustered because she was in the presence of LaGringa Must have been hard to think straight after such an encounter.Frank

[iguana1]

Haus,

A direct quote from your link

Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future

Sounds to me like some pols in Alaska are taking a 'liberal' attitude at regulating what is best for the wolves rather than letting mother nature take care of it. Any hypocrisy in that?

No offence but where did you get your information from. You might want to do a little research on the subject.

http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/index...g=wolf.control

http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/index...=wolf.wolf_mgt

[softcrab]

Up there in Alaska minding her own business but a lot of folks in the lower forty can't get over her. They want to whine and complain about how crude and dumb she is. They seem tp want to get her name back in the news. You would think they would just ignore her but, no, I guess they sit around and think and fret and before long they pick on her and she is back on the news.

Hey, the Palinpac has been organized. I joined and made a contribution. The current administration is depressing me. I had to do something.

[joeksr]

I find it difficult to understand the relationship between some group of nuts (Defenders of Wildlife) and Palin's political capabilities--- or why this nonsense is being discussed---- other than a need for emotional support for Palin.
The fact of the matter is that Defenders of Wildlife is an extremist Group whose objectives are rarely logical and whose tactics are shallow at best--- It would seem just as shallow to use this ridiculousness to support Governor Palin.
The Alaska Division of Wildlife controls Wolf populations in certain areas at a level to sustain the species but not let it get out of hand and also in recognition of other wildlife population goals---- common and accepted wildlife management pratice--- plain and simple. The use of aerial shooters is a safe and effective way to impliment these controls--- end of story.
For the Wolf huggers of the world, it should be remembered that more than 90% of the State's land is exempt from or not subject to this State Wolf Population control.No kudos or critisism of Governor Palin---- except that ignoring remarks from such radicals may have been the wisest thing to do rather than dignifying Defenders tactics with a response.

[QUOTE=iguana1;490944]Haus,

A direct quote from your link

Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future

Sounds to me like some pols in Alaska are taking a 'liberal' attitude at regulating what is best for the wolves rather than letting mother nature take care of it. Any hypocrisy in that?[/QUOTE]

I have quoted and high lighted Glenn here because he is much more knowledgeable and eloquent than I.

I have quoted you and highlighted part of your answer because it makes no sense.

90% of the states land is exempt and lives naturally.
Define natural. Not a lot of human interaction ?
10% is controlled so the people in the area can eat.
Watch the video. It states that the PEOPLE rely on animals as a food source.
With proper management "PEOPLE" replace "natural" predators and all is well. After all, Who is more entitled to eat, A wolf or a person ? Of course, not all of us consider PEOPLE to be un natural predators.

As far as this policy being a "liberal attitude".
Apparently not since it seems to have twisted your nipple.

[double tap]

I don't know or care much about any of the people involved here. On the issue at hand, shooting wolves is just plain wrong. They are extremely intelligent social animals with an important role in the food chain. Once prevalent in almost the enitre country they only survive in a few areas now.

Its not like they pose any real threat to humans that justifies killing them. I would think that most fishermen would agree. Shootin wolves from a heli is about like depth-charging for marlin.

I probably should not waste my time replying, but I frequently enjoy beating my head against a brick wall, so what the heck...

On the issue at hand, wolves do have a role in the "food chain," and in many parts of Alaska, so do people! For the most part, in the parts of Alaska where aerial shooting of wolves occurs, rural Alaskans RELY on the availability of moose and caribou for subsistence. These are areas without roads, without Safeway or Wal-Mart, and without the corner 7-11. A gallon of milk, when you can get one, frequently costs between ten and fifteen dollars. "Groceries" arrive in a plane or on a boat, and cost more than you would believe.

Wolves (which, as a species, are not even remotely endangered or threatened in Alaska) are very efficient predators. In some of these areas moose and caribou calf survival rates have been as low as 10-20% or lower, primarily due to the efficiency of this predator. "Natural" predator/prey relationships are normally cyclic, with predators decimating the prey population until the population crashes, which in turn causes the predator population to crash. As the prey species begins to rebound, so does the predator population. And so on, and so on...

With sound wildlife management practices, there is no good reason not to allow reasonable predator control measures so the populations stay on a more even keel. Fewer wolves mean the prey populations take less of a beating, and yes, allow more moose and caribou to be taken by hunters. For many Alaskans, this literally can mean the difference between meat for the winter and going hungry.

Additionally, only shooters authorized by ADF&G can shoot wolves from an airplane. It's not like there are scores of Alaskans blazing away from the side door of a Super Cub; it's a very well regulated and supervised wildlife management program.

Would I prefer not to have an aerial shooting program? Sure, but I recognize it for the effective management tool it can be, and I also recognize that there are wildlife management professionals who have determined this is the most effective manner in which to carry out their management objectives. And, frankly, it kind of chaps my ass when people who have only seen Alaska on the Travel Channel, or on a guided fishing trip, or on cruise decide they are better equipped to manage our state resources than us ignorant Alaskans.

Cheers,

Chris

[iguana1]

Hey Double Tap,

Not trying to 'chap your ass here'. Over here on the east coast our experience with managing the food chain comes from an agency called NMFS. Hasn't worked out well for anyone who appreciates nature.

And to JoekSrs question, IMO the wolf gets first dibs on the wild game. People have a lot of other options. Wolves dont

[La Gringa]

I think Ms.Judd was just flustered because she was in the presence of LaGringa Must have been hard to think straight after such an encounter.Frank

LOL.... IIII don't think so...!!!!

I think she was just puzzled that we hadn't mobbed her as she strode through the club.... hahahahahaa