RIP Michael Jackson... - Page 10

obxfish · 07-05-2009, 03:55 PM

he only way you know that is if you participated. Did you particpate? Were you a victim? Or did you just observe and not do anything?

Paying to keep it out of the court system could have been the cheaper and less painful alternative to going through all that trial stuff again.

And the man was a definite target.

So tell us, how was it for you, personally? Since you have first hand knowledge of it?
__________________Oooh!! Sounds like Ive upset the chief of the fan club!! Dude, you stomp your foot and sniffle some more and get ready for the big memorial service next week for the head pedophile, I could give a crap what you think, but if you removed yourself from your fan club mentality a bit and asked why a creepy adult male repeatedly has boys (never girls) spend the night in bed with him, then pays out 15.3 million to keep out of prison, and you STILL dont think hes a pedophile, you moonwalk yourself onto your CD player and put Thriller back on and fix yourself another daiquiri and wait for the big memorial show.

Gringo · 07-05-2009, 03:58 PM

I agree it's weird. I agree it's not normal. I also think Michael Jackson was a massive case of arrested development. He started performing at age 5, and never had a childhood. he never hung out with other kids his own age. He said repeatedly that he just wanted to have a normal childhood. But he couldn't. He wanted pajama parties. He wanted kid friends.

Does this mean he was a sexual predator? I have not seen any evidence that he was. People that knew him say he was not. He was found not to be in a court of law. They DID see the evidence.

I say he was innocent until proven guilty, and now we will probably never know. He can no longer answer charges or defend himself.

As for the bit about him paying off the second, suspicious accusations...

well, I know for a fact that if I were driving through Grand Isle Louisiana at two in the morning trying to make a boat leaving Morgan City at dawn, and I got pulled over by a local Louisiana police officer and he told me that he clocked me doing 75 in a 40, and I know that I wasn't, but that if I could pay the $100 fine in cash to him right there vs. waiting around until Monday to talk to a judge about it....

Would I be guilty? No. Would I pay the fine as though I were in order to get on with my life?
Yes.

obxfish · 07-05-2009, 11:56 PM

Well I guess one thing we can agree on, neither of us will ever know for sure, but we each have a fairly strong opinion on it. Me, I still think OJ got away with murder, and he was acquitted by a jury as well and is still playing golf in Florida.

clt_capt · 07-06-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by obxfish

Well I guess one thing we can agree on, neither of us will ever know for sure, but we each have a fairly strong opinion on it. Me, I still think OJ got away with murder, and he was acquitted by a jury as well and is still playing golf in Florida.

Actually He is not - He is sitting in jail...

In September 2007, Simpson was arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada and charged with numerous felonies, including robbery with a deadly weapon, burglary with a firearm, assault with a deadly weapon, first-degree kidnapping with use of a deadly weapon, coercion with use of a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit robbery, conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and conspiracy to commit a crime. A jury found Simpson guilty of all charges on October 3, 2008; and he was sentenced on December 5 to at least nine years in prison. He is currently serving his sentence at the Lovelock Correctional Center in Lovelock, Nevada.

Gringo · 07-06-2009, 04:52 AM

I am probably a little more sensitive to one aspect of this than most are. You see, I have had the experience of being falsely accused of a crime I did not commit. I know what it is like to be arrested and taken to jail in handcuffs for something that I did not do. And there really never is any justice in this kind of thing. Once falsely accused your name is in the local newspaper as having been arrested. People see it, and from that moment on your reputation is tarnished. Months later, when you finally get the charges dismissed, at some considerable personal and financial expense to yourself, you don't get the same newspaper coverage. People just remember that you were arrested. Nobody runs around on your behalf and makes sure that everybody now knows the truth.

Those who made the false accusations pay no price at all.

And I don't assume that someone is guilty of something just because they were arrested and charged for it.

Why do people here somehow see some logic in comparing OJ Simpson to Michael Jackson? They have nothing in common, other than race.

Ace1st · 07-06-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gringo

I am probably a little more sensitive to one aspect of this than most are. You see, I have had the experience of being falsely accused of a crime I did not commit. I know what it is like to be arrested and taken to jail in handcuffs for something that I did not do. And there really never is any justice in this kind of thing. Once falsely accused your name is in the local newspaper as having been arrested. People see it, and from that moment on your reputation is tarnished. Months later, when you finally get the charges dismissed, at some considerable personal and financial expense to yourself, you don't get the same newspaper coverage. People just remember that you were arrested. Nobody runs around on your behalf and makes sure that everybody now knows the truth.

Those who made the false accusations pay no price at all.

And I don't assume that someone is guilty of something just because they were arrested and charged for it.

Why do people here somehow see some logic in comparing OJ Simpson to Michael Jackson? They have nothing in common, other than race.

Gringo.....they have much more in common than race! Their celebrity status puts them in common. And the way they were treated as celebrities during their trials put a bad taste in lots of mouths including mine. I remember when Jackson showed up for trial one morning in pajamas LATE for court. What do you think would have happened if you or I would have done such?

And you'd think that OJ after going through the first trial would have had enougth sesnse to stay out of trouble again but I think his celebrity status contributed to the second choices he made.

I agree it is unfortunate that one is accused of something that one did not do, I knowe it does happen.....but when someone puts themselves in a bad position in the first place. Not saying you may have done with your situation but with MJ he did just that! And continued to do it time and time again.

Society created MJ and turned a blind eye to his celebrity. IMO they helped put him in the position that led to his demise.

But dont worry there will be others.

Henrique38 · 07-06-2009, 12:23 PM

Being accused of a crime when innocent does happen, but how many more are victims of child molestation? Probably a lot more then potentially life altering results and most remain quite about it all their lives. Many on the forum were probably victims. Gringo, you're sensitive because an accusation happened to you. What about those other victims? How do you think they feel?

Gringo · 07-06-2009, 12:55 PM

This isn'a about OJ Simpson. It's not about all those Roman Catholic kids and their priests.

Its about one guy, who was tried and acquitted of the most complete set of molestation charges and evidence that the prosecutors could assemble.

What has happened to the USA when a person can be tried and acquitted, but still be punished for the crime he did not commit?

But bottom line, and then I am going to shut up about it,
is that there are a bunch of people here who have not seen any evidence, or heard any testimony, who have no knowledge of the situation at all, who say "Hes a sick pedo who should rot in hell".

And on the other hand we have a jury of twelve who DID see the evidence, who DID hear the testimony, and who DO have knowledge of the situation who say "the man is innocent of these charges."

Me, I'll go with the jury who know the situation.

As for these guys who say that paying off another situation rather than go through it all again is the same as a guilty plea....well....they don't bear serious consideration.

Ace1st · 07-06-2009, 06:54 PM

Tell me something GRINGO.....do you agree with a 50 year old man sleeping with young boys because his own childhood was marred by abuse committed by his father?

And by the way this statement is not speculation, he admitted to spending days locked in his room with these little boys watching movies and playing. He admitted to having sleep overs with them in his bed. And star struck parents allowed it for gods sake.

Come on man, this has nothing to do with his aquital on said charges.

Deep C · 07-06-2009, 07:30 PM

I watch this thread still festering. OJ was guilty as shit and walked for a while now he's getting some well deserved down time... I'm watching a lot finding Jackson guilty. Did you watch the trial? I watched both very closely. In the OJ case I felt him guilty as sin. That bung sore Fuhrman blew the reasonable dowubt apart when he blatantly lied on the stand about the n word... The dream team oicked it apart and diverted attention away from the case at hand to the point the idiots on that jury lost track of what it was all about.

In Jacksons trial I was infuriated by the allegations and wanted nothing more on earth than to watch him fry. As I watched though I saw a string of untruths and attempted extortions come to the surface.Not allegations but shit the prosecutions "victims" finally came clean on. I was embarassed by my own pre conceived determination of guilt.

Now is having sleep overs and the like normal adult behavior? Shit no!!! Is it criminal though? That answer also is no...

He was a kink, a freak, an utter whack job but not a pedophile by definition. A pedophile gains sexual pleasure through his or her actions. Bear with me through thenext conjecture and think about it.

They talk about the kids now as not being his in any capacity. Listen to his voice carefully... Not natural at fifty years old to have that high of a range. Some can be done working hard with ranges in vocal training but his flowed all too smooth. Now this is a guy who freakishly bleached himself and had more plastic than Meltons warehouse. It hasn't come out yet but somewhere I would bet that either chemically or physically he castrated himself to maintain that high range of voice.
Thats right a friggin eunick... Asexual droid, a Ken doll... Not only not capable of pedophilia but sex all together...
Thats the Deep thought for the day...

07-05-2009, 03:58 PM	#92
Gringo I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 21.9 deg. N Posts: 2,185 Credits: 5,653.4 Boat: Contender 25, Hobie Mirage Home Port: Providenciales TCI BWI Best Catch: This girl who shoots the monkeys off my back. Occupation: Perfecting the art of the 7 day weekend.	I agree it's weird. I agree it's not normal. I also think Michael Jackson was a massive case of arrested development. He started performing at age 5, and never had a childhood. he never hung out with other kids his own age. He said repeatedly that he just wanted to have a normal childhood. But he couldn't. He wanted pajama parties. He wanted kid friends. Does this mean he was a sexual predator? I have not seen any evidence that he was. People that knew him say he was not. He was found not to be in a court of law. They DID see the evidence. I say he was innocent until proven guilty, and now we will probably never know. He can no longer answer charges or defend himself. As for the bit about him paying off the second, suspicious accusations... well, I know for a fact that if I were driving through Grand Isle Louisiana at two in the morning trying to make a boat leaving Morgan City at dawn, and I got pulled over by a local Louisiana police officer and he told me that he clocked me doing 75 in a 40, and I know that I wasn't, but that if I could pay the $100 fine in cash to him right there vs. waiting around until Monday to talk to a judge about it.... Would I be guilty? No. Would I pay the fine as though I were in order to get on with my life? Yes. __________________ http://2gringos.blogspot.com/ There are very few personal problems that cannot be resolved with the proper application of high explosives.

07-06-2009, 04:52 AM	#95
Gringo I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 21.9 deg. N Posts: 2,185 Credits: 5,653.4 Boat: Contender 25, Hobie Mirage Home Port: Providenciales TCI BWI Best Catch: This girl who shoots the monkeys off my back. Occupation: Perfecting the art of the 7 day weekend.	I am probably a little more sensitive to one aspect of this than most are. You see, I have had the experience of being falsely accused of a crime I did not commit. I know what it is like to be arrested and taken to jail in handcuffs for something that I did not do. And there really never is any justice in this kind of thing. Once falsely accused your name is in the local newspaper as having been arrested. People see it, and from that moment on your reputation is tarnished. Months later, when you finally get the charges dismissed, at some considerable personal and financial expense to yourself, you don't get the same newspaper coverage. People just remember that you were arrested. Nobody runs around on your behalf and makes sure that everybody now knows the truth. Those who made the false accusations pay no price at all. And I don't assume that someone is guilty of something just because they were arrested and charged for it. Why do people here somehow see some logic in comparing OJ Simpson to Michael Jackson? They have nothing in common, other than race. __________________ http://2gringos.blogspot.com/ There are very few personal problems that cannot be resolved with the proper application of high explosives.

07-06-2009, 12:55 PM	#98
Gringo I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 21.9 deg. N Posts: 2,185 Credits: 5,653.4 Boat: Contender 25, Hobie Mirage Home Port: Providenciales TCI BWI Best Catch: This girl who shoots the monkeys off my back. Occupation: Perfecting the art of the 7 day weekend.	This isn'a about OJ Simpson. It's not about all those Roman Catholic kids and their priests. Its about one guy, who was tried and acquitted of the most complete set of molestation charges and evidence that the prosecutors could assemble. What has happened to the USA when a person can be tried and acquitted, but still be punished for the crime he did not commit? But bottom line, and then I am going to shut up about it, is that there are a bunch of people here who have not seen any evidence, or heard any testimony, who have no knowledge of the situation at all, who say "Hes a sick pedo who should rot in hell". And on the other hand we have a jury of twelve who DID see the evidence, who DID hear the testimony, and who DO have knowledge of the situation who say "the man is innocent of these charges." Me, I'll go with the jury who know the situation. As for these guys who say that paying off another situation rather than go through it all again is the same as a guilty plea....well....they don't bear serious consideration. __________________ http://2gringos.blogspot.com/ There are very few personal problems that cannot be resolved with the proper application of high explosives. Last edited by Gringo; 07-06-2009 at 12:59 PM.

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07-05-2009, 11:56 PM	#93
obxfish I practice safe fishing Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 69 Credits: 1,656.0	Well I guess one thing we can agree on, neither of us will ever know for sure, but we each have a fairly strong opinion on it. Me, I still think OJ got away with murder, and he was acquitted by a jury as well and is still playing golf in Florida.

07-06-2009, 12:23 PM	#97
Henrique38 Yep, your gonna need stitches Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 86 Credits: 1,682.4	Being accused of a crime when innocent does happen, but how many more are victims of child molestation? Probably a lot more then potentially life altering results and most remain quite about it all their lives. Many on the forum were probably victims. Gringo, you're sensitive because an accusation happened to you. What about those other victims? How do you think they feel?

07-06-2009, 06:54 PM	#99
Ace1st I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,795 Credits: 5,382.4 Boat: Sea Vee CC Home Port: Little River Best Catch: Lucy!! Occupation: Real Estate Agent	Tell me something GRINGO.....do you agree with a 50 year old man sleeping with young boys because his own childhood was marred by abuse committed by his father? And by the way this statement is not speculation, he admitted to spending days locked in his room with these little boys watching movies and playing. He admitted to having sleep overs with them in his bed. And star struck parents allowed it for gods sake. Come on man, this has nothing to do with his aquital on said charges.

07-06-2009, 07:30 PM	#100
Deep C Master of all things wet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Plywood State Posts: 13,715 Credits: 43,395.6 Boat: Several Home Port: Palm Beach Best Catch: Mrs Deep Occupation: Killin Stuff	I watch this thread still festering. OJ was guilty as shit and walked for a while now he's getting some well deserved down time... I'm watching a lot finding Jackson guilty. Did you watch the trial? I watched both very closely. In the OJ case I felt him guilty as sin. That bung sore Fuhrman blew the reasonable dowubt apart when he blatantly lied on the stand about the n word... The dream team oicked it apart and diverted attention away from the case at hand to the point the idiots on that jury lost track of what it was all about. In Jacksons trial I was infuriated by the allegations and wanted nothing more on earth than to watch him fry. As I watched though I saw a string of untruths and attempted extortions come to the surface.Not allegations but shit the prosecutions "victims" finally came clean on. I was embarassed by my own pre conceived determination of guilt. Now is having sleep overs and the like normal adult behavior? Shit no!!! Is it criminal though? That answer also is no... He was a kink, a freak, an utter whack job but not a pedophile by definition. A pedophile gains sexual pleasure through his or her actions. Bear with me through thenext conjecture and think about it. They talk about the kids now as not being his in any capacity. Listen to his voice carefully... Not natural at fifty years old to have that high of a range. Some can be done working hard with ranges in vocal training but his flowed all too smooth. Now this is a guy who freakishly bleached himself and had more plastic than Meltons warehouse. It hasn't come out yet but somewhere I would bet that either chemically or physically he castrated himself to maintain that high range of voice. Thats right a friggin eunick... Asexual droid, a Ken doll... Not only not capable of pedophilia but sex all together... Thats the Deep thought for the day...