Obama's Speech Surprised Me

[hubris 1]

But I just sent Rep Joe Wilson and e-mail. I told him thanks for having the guts to speak up. When good men say nothing, scoundrels succeed. Thank you. Also, I can think of three times right off the bat where men didnt speak up because it was deemed inappropiate, Pearl Harbor, Bernie Madoff, and 9-11. Formality and courtesy to a higher authority would put us under English rule and law now wouldnt it?

[N2theBlue]

ND, this thread begins forthrightly with a discussion of the topic of the thread, Obama's speech.

I don't see any reference to fishing in this thread but for your post. You brought up fishing. There are no posts herein referring to fishing by others except you and now this post. Not only are there none from me, there's none period from anyone but you.

What the devil are you talking about, AGAIN? It's hard for me to square your false assertion that I lured folks to this thread with talk of fishing only to switch subjects. It just didn't happen that way and there's a written record above to prove it.

Oh, and perhaps, AGAIN, I need to remind you to read for comprehension TO CONVINCE YOURSELF I'M NOT ADVOCATING THE LIBERAL AGENDA. In the initial post in this thread I say Obama's speech surprised me. The reason it surprised me is that his speech advocated virtually all of the measures favored by the progressives and that this was going to cause a bitter fight from here on out. The only progressive measure he left out was Single Payor and I left it out of my summary for that reason, he left it out.

I then detailed what I have been telling my customers for years and what I still believe will be the ultimate outcome of the debate. And, that outcome DOES NOT INCLUDE EITHER SINGLE PAYOR OR PUBLIC OPTION WHICH ARE THE PET OBJECTIVES OF MOST OF THOSE FURTHEST LEFT IN THE COUNTRY.

If I were trying to foist off on someone my "liberal" agenda don't you think I'd advocate for the two most liberal (and unworkable) ideas the progressives have? You make less and less sense with every post.

ND, your mind seems to be in a state of constipation. Why are you so unclear about what people say here. Heck, it's all in writing so it's available to you for review as often as you like so as to get it right.

You also seem hidebound about the labels you use on others who may not think like you. You seem to see liberals where they don't exist. Do you still worry about the "Red Scare" of McCarthy's times or the potential of Canada or Mexico to reclaim by force of arms Texas or the Northeast, respectively? Do you see agents of those "powers" everywhere, even under your bed? Those concerns would be just as logical as you calling me a liberal.

I think it's probable that if you like the Mako line of boats and someone else voiced an adverse opinion of that line you'd call them a socialist, anti-American or, your favorite, a liberal. That's how illogical you've become.

Here, let me say this once again, I'm a disaffected Republican who left the Republican party along with legions of others when George Bush revoked all then known conservative principles and became a revolutionary monarch as if he were a hereditary king and then acted far outside both the law and conservative priciples and ran the country into the ground, caused us to lose (yes, we will lose) two wars and sullied the great name of the U.S. such that it is now equated worldwide with the excesses of the old Soviet Union. He didn't deserve my followership or that of many others who left and he didn't get it.

I'm an independent and have been for about 7.5 years now when it became clear that our national foreign policy was built principly on one thing, blood lust, and when all reason went out the window. Bush concerned me far more than an bunch of ragheads who had to try three times to knock over some buildings.

But perhaps I understand why you can't accept what I say I am and just debate on those terms. It's much like when a Jew, American or otherwise, decides his conscience can no longer allow him to tolerate Israeli aparthied and speaks out about it. The Israeli right reserves for those people a specially designated and huge vat of venom and attacks them ceaslessly and mercilessly. They view them as rejectionists at a minimum and ideological traitors at the most extreme.

Is that it, ND? Do you think there's only one way to think in America and that it's your way, freedoms be damned?

Well, my fine friend, you're just plain wrong if you do.

LongFisher

he's a far right conservative. Reading comprehension, or even listening comprehension are not the strong points of the far right OR the far left. Both hear what they want to hear and make up the rest to fit their agendas.

[nautiduck]

I was speaking of other threads when you first joined. We can see that your no longer here for the fishing. As far as other opinions the only ones that I have disdain for are the ones where you stated that being an American Citizen was a nightmare. After that statement your opinions no longer matter. I welcome differing opinions, sometimes I learn things, but you live here enjoying the freedoms of this country but scream how terrible it is, people like you have nothing to teach.