Obama's Fate Sealed

[longfisher]

We are sitting here debating the death of a couple of terrorist's. Arguing whether it was right or wrong to execute an American citizen that had a choice on the path they took. But never a word about the million's of executed American's killed through abortion in this Country. They are American Citizen's because if allowed to live, they would have been Citizen's simply because they were born here. They have no choice in the matter in any way, but murdered just the same. Justify that! Frank

I don't have to justify abortion. I hate abortion.

But I don't believe in forcing my views on others, particularly when the law establishing abortion rights is utterly "settled".

So, here's how I work this issue in my family. I tell my kids that we don't need to occupy opposite sides of this issue. That I respect their views on the matter if they should be opposite of mine. But I want them to consider that any baby they may father or mother is my grandchild and as they well know I'm pretty partial to and will protect my family.

So, if they should ever get pregnant or get someone else pregnant and feel trapped by that circumstance and don't want to raise that baby they should do the sensible thing and...

BRING THE BABY TO ME AND MY WIFE AND WE'LL RAISE IT NO STRINGS AND NOT PUNISHMENT AND NO EXPECTATIONS DOWN THE LINE IMPOSED.

Now, that's anti-abortion done the right way...the way that keeps babies alive, families growing and nurturing the new members and it satisfies my judeo-christian upbringing (despite my rejection of all things religious, I do think Jesus was a fine orator and philosopher and that the values he preached are as good a set to live by as any. My family walks in the path of Jesus more than most Christians we know. We out-christian the Christians almost ever day).

Don't kill them. Bring them to Grand-dad. Then be on your way without hindrance, obligation or condemnation. Besides, they would be a great gift to me and the wife. We may be as old as dirt, but we've got at least 20 - 30 more years this side of the grass which could easily be devoted, in part, to raising our grandchildren.

LF

[longfisher]

The short (and only) response to Longfisher's inquiry to me is:
Although the U.S. Government's myriad of policies and practices have many faults and shortcomings, I believe it is fair to say that the U.S. Govt. is a world leader and internationally respected in its policies and commitment to individuals (citizen or foreign) due process, rights to a fair trial, and respect for international extradiction---- our unwaivering policy to honor these fundamental principles comes at a heavy price at times, but nonetheless is a model other societies can only look up to---- in short, there is no reason for any appologies or justifications.
This being said, there are also many things that we, the public, do not understand, or need to know about. Only on rare occations has our Govt. waivered from our policies of a fair trial and due process. I do not know the specifics of these occations, nor do I feel I have a right to know every secret of the Govt. So long as our Govt. uses its discretion to deviate from our stated policies very carefully ( which it undoubtadly has), I am confident there is good reason for it and frankly trust in my government in this regard without any need to know on my part, or explaination justifying the action.

And, that's where we differ, Glenn.

I don't trust them at all.

LF

[seapower]

So I guess being that you don't believe in "forcing your view's" on someone else. So that make's murder, robbery, rape, as long as the perp really believe's it's justifyable OK???? The war in Iraq (that you have sooo much negative opinion about)was in fact OK'd by the same folk's that made up that law that make's abortion a "choice". So what's your b i t c h about the war? It was OK'd by the lawmaker's right?. Sound's to me like you're letting your kid's know it's alright, cause you want to get started on another generation of "LongFisherology". I hope your kid listened to what you said. That should be reason enough to make him keep his pecker in his pant's! Frank

[Captain Michael Buffington]

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure...*****

Mike

[marine4003]

Now, is it just me or did that smell of cut/paste...

[longfisher]

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure...*****

Mike

Your posts have become more and more threatening, Mike.

I'm taking notice.

LF

[billschwabe]

Now, is it just me or did that smell of cut/paste...

I can't recall that particular gent ever completing a coherent sentence, much less eight of them in a row without some childish name calling or a not very thinly veiled threat. He did stay true to form and end it with a little name calling though. Don't think Jefferson ever thought that kind of ending would add to his message. Methinks he partaketh of too much wine or other spirits at such a late hour as whence his posts typically blaze forth with such vulgarity. Maybe his parents are out of town again and left the liquor cabinet unlocked? This "place" has way more class than this and so many on here bring volumes of knowledge to share with each other and while heated arguments do sometimes develop, they are carried out at a far higher intellectual level than this moron's name calling and foul language. Hopefully John or Jer will soon put a stop to this nonsense, any intelligent folks who happen by this site and see such idiocy will quickly move on.