I finally pilled the trigger and replaced my tigress gunnel mount outriggers with the Lees. Bases and elbows seem better. Now I pulled the trigger on 15' poles too - Lee's Precision 15' Outrigger Poles. Now I am replacing the West marine ones I had. So if anyone wants fixed poles and tigress mounts and elbows make me a offer They are 1 1/8 gunnel mounts. Also have the side mounts (never Installed) to go with them.