More (nutty) War Criminal Stuff, Theirs Not Ours

[longfisher]

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in Cambodia yesterday and urged its government to proceed with more prosecutions of surviving Khmer Rouge officials.

Previously, Secretary Clinton instructed Kenya to proceed with war crimes trials of its former officials.

President Obama demanded that Indonesia continue investigating past human rights abuses on the ground that "we can't go forward without looking backwards."

In other news yesterday: George W. Bush threw out the first pitch at the World Series baseball game while the Texas crowd cheered and chanted: "USA. USA."

What a wonderful country we live in. Total hypocrisy.

LongFisher

[scattered_grass]

why do we give a flying chit about Kenya? Let them throw spears at each other all they want.

[Captain Michael Buffington]

why do we give a flying chit about Kenya? Let them throw spears at each other all they want.

Thanks for that SG

Mike

[longfisher]

why do we give a flying chit about Kenya? Let them throw spears at each other all they want.

The post, again, points out the total hypocrisy of America in that our leaders condemn the war crimes and criminals of other countries and coddle our own. Hillary and Barack condemn foreign countries for not prosecuting their war criminals when Hillary was married to one and Barack failed to prosecute Bush / Cheney.

Your previous post about how much my regular references to our own unprosecuted war criminals made me sound like a nut inspired me to point out more clearly who the nuts are.

The real nuts are Hillary and Barack who engage in the utmost hypocrisy in condemning other countries for laying off prosecutions of war criminals while they are doing the exact same things.

America is the very heart of hypocrisy.

LongFisher

[lowtide]

LF - just curious - If you could move to any country where would that be ??? serious Q......

[longfisher]

LF - just curious - If you could move to any country where would that be ??? serious Q......

Wanted to go there for decades. But got married to a woman who is a real nurturer and she wanted the kids to be educated here, for some strange reason.

You know how it is when a woman has kids. They just want safety and security and to feather the nest until the kids are gone.

NZ, along with two other countries, was rated the least corrupt of all nations on earth (corrupt was defined as the use of public office to self-enrich). I think the U.S. came out in the high single digits.

Their effective tax burden is less than here in the U.S. and their dollar is very competitive with that of the U.S. now that the financial crisis has devastated the U.S. dollar.

Their standard of living is about what it was here during the 80s, which is OK with me. I'm not high maintenance.

They have a parliamentary form of government which necessitates the fomation of coalitions to govern and which by its very nature eliminates a lot of the wild whipsaw swings we have here in the U.S. when one party takes over from the other. Governance there is much more even and without major disruptions.

Social services are great but capitalism is, of course, rule.

The fishing is great and the beauty of the place is undeniable. They really take care of their ecology too, almost a third of the country is in parks.

The only real problem they have is that the nation is rather small and ocean locked. Some NZers complain that it's a ocean bound jail. That wouldn't bother me. That would be a plus.

Lastly, NZ only gives token assistance to the U.S. in its wars, just enough to keep the U.S. on friendly terms for trade purposes. NZ tends to keep to itself, much more than here.

My son is hellbound to go the NZ after his graduation. He's already talking to two universities there about graduate studies in Ocean Engineering (they call it something different but it's the same thing). And, as you might imagine there's a lot of ocean-related industries and infrastructure that an Ocean Engineer could find employment in.

If he goes there I might be able to induce the wife to follow him. It'd be particularly easy if he gains citizenship in NZ and if we're near or at retirement age. Essentially, he would sponsor us.

Like many here I see things in America that I don't like and, again, like many here I see America going in the wrong direction. It's getting to be a place that worries me a lot, particularly the police state part of things.

So, I might just fulfill the most profound wishes of some on this board and flee sometime in the next half decade. But don't fear, they still have the Internet there and I'll check in on you guys regularly.



LF

[scattered_grass]

Wanted to go there for decades. But got married to a woman who is a real nurturer and she wanted the kids to be educated here, for some strange reason.

You know how it is when a woman has kids. They just want safety and security and to feather the nest until the kids are gone.

NZ, along with two other countries, was rated the least corrupt of all nations on earth (corrupt was defined as the use of public office to self-enrich). I think the U.S. came out in the high single digits.

Their effective tax burden is less than here in the U.S. and their dollar is very competitive with that of the U.S. now that the financial crisis has devastated the U.S. dollar.

Their standard of living is about what it was here during the 80s, which is OK with me. I'm not high maintenance.

They have a parliamentary form of government which necessitates the fomation of coalitions to govern and which by its very nature eliminates a lot of the wild whipsaw swings we have here in the U.S. when one party takes over from the other. Governance there is much more even and without major disruptions.

Social services are great but capitalism is, of course, rule.

The fishing is great and the beauty of the place is undeniable. They really take care of their ecology too, almost a third of the country is in parks.

The only real problem they have is that the nation is rather small and ocean locked. Some NZers complain that it's a ocean bound jail. That wouldn't bother me. That would be a plus.

Lastly, NZ only gives token assistance to the U.S. in its wars, just enough to keep the U.S. on friendly terms for trade purposes. NZ tends to keep to itself, much more than here.

My son is hellbound to go the NZ after his graduation. He's already talking to two universities there about graduate studies in Ocean Engineering (they call it something different but it's the same thing). And, as you might imagine there's a lot of ocean-related industries and infrastructure that an Ocean Engineer could find employment in.

If he goes there I might be able to induce the wife to follow him. It'd be particularly easy if he gains citizenship in NZ and if we're near or at retirement age. Essentially, he would sponsor us.

Like many here I see things in America that I don't like and, again, like many here I see America going in the wrong direction. It's getting to be a place that worries me a lot, particularly the police state part of things.

So, I might just fulfill the most profound wishes of some on this board and flee sometime in the next half decade. But don't fear, they still have the Internet there and I'll check in on you guys regularly.



LF

I've heard NZ was a delightful place, along with destinations such as the Scandinavian countries. These places seem to be desirable to many Americans that visit. The profile of these places however, looks nothing like America. I also know from experience that they are very selective on who they will grant citizenship to. Not as simple as saying, hey I think I'll just move to Norway. Truth is they really don't want you there. Nz may be different..

[longfisher]

I've heard NZ was a delightful place, along with destinations such as the Scandinavian countries. These places seem to be desirable to many Americans that visit. The profile of these places however, looks nothing like America. I also know from experience that they are very selective on who they will grant citizenship to. Not as simple as saying, hey I think I'll just move to Norway. Truth is they really don't want you there. Nz may be different..

It is difficult to get into NZ and gain citizenship. It's largely a problem with publicly funded programs like their healthcare and social security. They can't just let in folks who will contribute little and take much.

Indeed, there's an ongoing asianization of New Zealand and Australia which has caused much concern in both countries. Folks show up on the doorstep of the country with few meaningful skills but they are almost immediately eligible for government subsidies of various sorts. It's a quick way to bankrupt the country.

NZ doesn't want a nation of cab drivers who contribute little and take much. Makes sense to me.

LF

[scattered_grass]

It is difficult to get into NZ and gain citizenship. It's largely a problem with publicly funded programs like their healthcare and social security. They can't just let in folks who will contribute little and take much.

Indeed, there's an ongoing asianization of New Zealand and Australia which has caused much concern in both countries. Folks show up on the doorstep of the country with few meaningful skills but they are almost immediately eligible for government subsidies of various sorts. It's a quick way to bankrupt the country.

NZ doesn't want a nation of cab drivers who contribute little and take much. Makes sense to me.

LF

exactly. Imagine if we were a little more selective on who we let in..

[marine4003]

It is difficult to get into NZ and gain citizenship. It's largely a problem with publicly funded programs like their healthcare and social security. They can't just let in folks who will contribute little and take much.

Indeed, there's an ongoing asianization of New Zealand and Australia which has caused much concern in both countries. Folks show up on the doorstep of the country with few meaningful skills but they are almost immediately eligible for government subsidies of various sorts. It's a quick way to bankrupt the country.

NZ doesn't want a nation of cab drivers who contribute little and take much. Makes sense to me.

LF

a while back we traveled to Australia, i remember a local telling me that if one chose to move there he/she has to prove net worth..dont want freeloaders there..great idea, NZ is a great country,alot more sensable..America has always had a love affair with its Military leaders..wether right or wrong in there pursuits of "democracy" i also believe there is a profound difference,at least in the eyes of Americans, of the atrocity's committed on foreign soil by 3rd world "leaders" and the US "conquering" a dictatorship..