Lets Rise Up and support our Republicans

[wauwinet]

THE CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES THAT OUR COUNTRY WERE BUILT ON ALL GOING AWAY. WHAT A SHAME FOR ALL OF US YOUNG AND OLD ALIKE.

This country was built on wildly liberal principles.

In 1776, the idea of majority rule was very liberal. The founding fathers were essentially a bunch of radicals who, by virtue of having a REALLY good idea and some smart ballsy members, turned the politics of the day on its ear.

Adams, Franklin and Jefferson were free-thinking, "power to the people" longhairs. "Liberty" and "Liberal" are essentially the same things.

Imagine the idea of using public funds to start libraries and post offices?? These were the original infrastructure projects.

What I cannot understand, and this thread illustrates it well, is why social conservatism and fiscal conservatism must always go hand in hand.

Why can't someone who believes in small government also be in favor of gay marriage?

Why must someone who is committed to the environment also be in favor of nationalized health care.

I think this country would benefit greatly from a healthy dose of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism.

In other words, you can do whatever you want in your bedroom, but do not expect me to pay for it.

In other words, keep your hands off my body and direct your efforts toward making my life better by spending less of my oney on stupid crap.

[Glenn W]

Cute Glenn, really cute. Typical ASSumptions about me based on your own shortcomings in your youth.



Some people just can't understand the difference. It's a shame.

-D

No assumptions Dave- not a single one. Rather, a polite reply to your insistant posts that if someone doesn't agree with your propoganda or postions ,or effectiveley rebuts your comments, then they "don't understand". I will refer you to your many accuations to this effect towards Iguana and me.
It's great to disagree as good discourse stimulates open minds to truly understand problems and opens the the door (mind) to effective solutions
Speaking of "assumptions"---- it is interesting to note who is so quick to state that a differing opinion must be based on uninformed ignorance---- hmmm?--- makes us old kogers wonder.
As far as my youth, I had many shortcomings, most of which I outgrew.

[anthony]

No assumptions Dave- not a single one. Rather, a polite reply to your insistant posts that if someone doesn't agree with your propoganda or postions ,or effectiveley rebuts your comments, then they "don't understand". I will refer you to your many accuations to this effect towards Iguana and me.
It's great to disagree as good discourse stimulates open minds to truly understand problems and opens the the door (mind) to effective solutions
Speaking of "assumptions"---- it is interesting to note who is so quick to state that a differing opinion must be based on uninformed ignorance---- hmmm?--- makes us old kogers wonder.
As far as my youth, I had many shortcomings, most of which I outgrew.

Glenn, how did you manage to get that backwards? I am paraphrasing but I think the saying goes "If you're 20 and conservative you have no heart...and if you're 40 and liberal you have no brain." Are you a scarecrow or a tin man?

[Dave Sikorski]

No assumptions Dave- not a single one. Rather, a polite reply to your insistant posts that if someone doesn't agree with your propoganda or postions ,or effectiveley rebuts your comments, then they "don't understand". I will refer you to your many accuations to this effect towards Iguana and me.
It's great to disagree as good discourse stimulates open minds to truly understand problems and opens the the door (mind) to effective solutions
Speaking of "assumptions"---- it is interesting to note who is so quick to state that a differing opinion must be based on uninformed ignorance---- hmmm?--- makes us old kogers wonder.
As far as my youth, I had many shortcomings, most of which I outgrew.

Thanks for setting me straight!

-D

[mvsusaf]

If this country can have term limits for the chief executive then tell me why can't Senators and Representatives can not also be restricted?
The taxpayers of this country are constantly taken over the coals by members of Congress who have seniority and the power and influence that comes with seniority.

Now I have a solution to help with the budget deficit. A national lottery with tickets sold at the Post Office. Practically every country in Europe and South America run national lotteries and make money on them. It is at least worth discussing in Congress.

[flatbottom]

If this country can have term limits for the chief executive then tell me why can't Senators and Representatives can not also be restricted?

The taxpayers of this country are constantly taken over the coals by members of Congress who have seniority and the power and influence that comes with seniority.

Now I have a solution to help with the budget deficit. A national lottery with tickets sold at the Post Office. Practically every country in Europe and South America run national lotteries and make money on them. It is at least worth discussing in Congress.

not one member in the house or senate can give an answer How to get out of this mess we are in....Not one !!!!!!!!!!!!

This government is the retirement home for uncontrollable adult children. Do you remember that kid in school that...could not sit still five minutes at a time.? These are those kids all grown up.....in the senate and house.


@ the rate we are going ...it will be 12 trillion burned by Obama administration.

[steelmonkey590]

"if there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace" thomas paine


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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred honor.

[Lobo Marine Products]

This country was built on wildly liberal principles.

In 1776, the idea of majority rule was very liberal. The founding fathers were essentially a bunch of radicals who, by virtue of having a REALLY good idea and some smart ballsy members, turned the politics of the day on its ear.

Adams, Franklin and Jefferson were free-thinking, "power to the people" longhairs. "Liberty" and "Liberal" are essentially the same things.

Imagine the idea of using public funds to start libraries and post offices?? These were the original infrastructure projects.

What I cannot understand, and this thread illustrates it well, is why social conservatism and fiscal conservatism must always go hand in hand.

Why can't someone who believes in small government also be in favor of gay marriage?

Why must someone who is committed to the environment also be in favor of nationalized health care.

I think this country would benefit greatly from a healthy dose of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism.

In other words, you can do whatever you want in your bedroom, but do not expect me to pay for it.

In other words, keep your hands off my body and direct your efforts toward making my life better by spending less of my oney on stupid crap.

Interestingly put! and your right but thats not whats going on today.....we just need to be ready to move obama and his administration on. in 2 months he did more damage then anyone since carter...