Horrendous Statements by a Sitting U.S. Federal Judge

[longfisher]

The judge who threw out the suit brought by the father of Al Alawki, the American citizen who is on a kill list Obama constructed, did so because the father was said to have not standing in the case he was neither the target or an aggrieved person as Al Alawki was not dead yet at the hands of American assassins.

The intent of the case was to challenge whether the Executive Branch of Government could engage in assassinations at will without court oversight. I think all of us, no matter what political persuasion, would prefer our President not take on the the traditional power of monarchs, the power to murder citizens by fiat, right?

Well, that's enough of a sad turn of events. But what the judge said in the rest of his opinion was even more chilling, and I quote from a recent summary of that opinion:

"Judge Bates ruled that "there are circumstances in which the executive's unilateral decision to kill a US citizen overseas is 'constitutionally committed to the political branches' and judicially unreviewable." Regarding the latter "political question" issue, the judge acknowledged "the somewhat unsettling nature of its conclusion". Bates called the case "unique and extraordinary", and said it presented "stark, and perplexing, questions", including "fundamental questions of separation of powers involving the proper role of the courts in our constitutional structure"."

Chilled to the bone. What has Bush - Obama wrought by tyranny?

LF

[Glenn W]

Please provide authoritative sources for the statement referenced and the Court opinion, if available.
Is it entirely possible that the statement and Opinion are taken out of context from an politically motivated source?

[Curmudgeon]

I think all of us .. would prefer our President not take on the the traditional power of monarchs, the power to murder citizens by fiat, right?

Well, no, not all and not right. There are people in this world that need to be dead. Al Awlaki seems to be one of 'em and is right up there with Osama ...

[marine4003]

I think all of us .. would prefer our President not take on the the traditional power of monarchs, the power to murder citizens by fiat, right?

Well, no, not all and not right. There are people in this world that need to be dead. Al Awlaki seems to be one of 'em and is right up there with Osama ...

Agreed...BUT. the president has no right to decree who lives and who dies with zero oversight, the same thought process will be the one which drags this country down further. Forget for a moment who he wants dead,and replace him with anyone...someone perhaps who pissed bama off back in high school..or someone who was discourteous to Michell bama..and what you have is the same scenario that had our forefathers draft the Constitution,and absolve us from England's tyranny.Only now its self imposed.

[longfisher]

Please provide authoritative sources for the statement referenced and the Court opinion, if available.
Is it entirely possible that the statement and Opinion are taken out of context from an politically motivated source?

Thanks for reminding me to look over original sources as well as those news reports that might be biased. I needed the reminder.

LF

[longfisher]

Agreed...BUT. the president has no right to decree who lives and who dies with zero oversight, the same thought process will be the one which drags this country down further. Forget for a moment who he wants dead,and replace him with anyone...someone perhaps who pissed bama off back in high school..or someone who was discourteous to Michell bama..and what you have is the same scenario that had our forefathers draft the Constitution,and absolve us from England's tyranny.Only now its self imposed.

...maybe it would Crud who got tagged.

LF

[longfisher]

Glenn W, I'm doing what I can with my limited time this weekend to find the original source of the Judges comments via the Internet. But there's been so much reporting of these comments that most of what I find are news reports of it.

Anyway, it seems to involve what's known as the "Political Question Doctrine" which I don't understand. I intend to understand it fully.

Do you know anything of this?

This might take a while.

LF

[hubris 1]

First of all, hes making moo goo gai pan, that takes three days. Then he makes Peking duck, thats 14 hours not counting the time it takes to take the lead out.




Dont take him to serious, He asks dumb questions as a way of showing "just how smart he is" Judges make dumb statements every day, we believe you. Like Glenn W they become somewhat jaded, and superior in their thinking. I likin it to stepping in dog S H I T. You can walk around all day smelling it, and not realize.......The poop is you.

[longfisher]

First of all, hes making moo goo gai pan, that takes three days. Then he makes Peking duck, thats 14 hours not counting the time it takes to take the lead out.




Dont take him to serious, He asks dumb questions as a way of showing "just how smart he is" Judges make dumb statements every day, we believe you. Like Glenn W they become somewhat jaded, and superior in their thinking. I likin it to stepping in dog S H I T. You can walk around all day smelling it, and not realize.......The poop is you.

I'm painting my kitchen cabinets this week, three coats with sanding and cleanup in between. It's real work. And, I'm trying to get it done so the wife can be back in her kitchen before Xmas dinner.

So, lighten up.

There's so much reporting on this that virtually every search returns hundreds of citations. If you're so interested why don't you do it yourself.

I'm trying to be responsive to Glenn. I just don't have the time to do it thoroughly at present.

And, I don't need you sniping.

LF

[hubris 1]

You cant make it through life being outraged by everything. Lifes too short for that, and too long for that. Sometimes all the facts in the world prove only one thing, You cant pay attention to everything.........it will drive you nuts. Everyone else is out drinking and eating and having a good time. I have the facts and figures to back that up.