H.R. 1553

[longfisher]

Just what we need:

"H.R. 1553

Expressing support for the State of Israel’s right to defend Israeli sovereignty, to protect the lives and safety of the Israeli people, and to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the use of military force if no other peaceful solution can be found within reasonable time to protect
against such an immediate and existential threat to the State of Israel."

Will the Republicans never cease their warmongering and will Israel ever learn to live up to it's reputation as a plucky, never-say-die, got-it-alone country without dragging the U.S. into every darned war it wants to start?

I've long ago had enough of their B.S. The U.S. can't afford an "ally" like this."

Israeli national anthem - Onward Christian Soldier

[Glenn W]

It's a resolution---- BFD
It makes them (Congress) feel good about themselves, regardless of political affiliation.

I have no intention of looking at the roll call, but I would imagine there was (will be) overwhelming support in the form of Aye's from the Dems as well.

[marine4003]

its exactly the allie we do need..Israel is the only safe place for Americans in the whole sandbox

[canyongear]

[bigoc]

How about expressing support for the United States Constitution.


The only ally in the whole sand box?? If you have ever been in the sand box, and had to deal with the locals face to face on an extended basis, and develop an close relationship with civic leaders you would understand that that monkey on your back is the United States support for Israel. The only ally in the region stigma is so far from the truth and could only be believed from the comfort of a living room insulated from the reality of the middle east. I have not yet benefited from this ally, not once. United States military personnel have however sacrificed greatly in the defense of Israel.


Interesting fact, 3 billion with a B of US military aid to Israel and Israel is the only recipient of US military aid that is allowed to turnaround and sell that aid to US enemies such as Russia and China at a profit. US enemies that US soldiers prepare to do battle against. The only country in the world that is allowed to do this. See the circle of stupidity yet??? I would rather sit on my boat and shoot myself in the foot than have to travel to the other side of the planet and have someone else do it.


If the support for Israel is for religious reasons, just say it and stop with the friend and ally excuse. I bought into this lie for most of my life until I "visited" the region and faced so much difficulty whenever the topic of Israel came up. This is dealing the average population, to include Arab Christians(yes they have existed for over 2000 years), not just your radical islamic type. Confirmed in absolute fact by me.


Spoken from the mouth of a Combat Disabled Paratrooper Veteran Constitutional Conservative American Christian. Not to be confused with a nutbag religious republican in name only neocon.

[longfisher]

How about expressing support for the United States Constitution.


The only ally in the whole sand box?? If you have ever been in the sand box, and had to deal with the locals face to face on an extended basis, and develop an close relationship with civic leaders you would understand that that monkey on your back is the United States support for Israel. The only ally in the region stigma is so far from the truth and could only be believed from the comfort of a living room insulated from the reality of the middle east. I have not yet benefited from this ally, not once. United States military personnel have however sacrificed greatly in the defense of Israel.


Interesting fact, 3 billion with a B of US military aid to Israel and Israel is the only recipient of US military aid that is allowed to turnaround and sell that aid to US enemies such as Russia and China at a profit. US enemies that US soldiers prepare to do battle against. The only country in the world that is allowed to do this. See the circle of stupidity yet??? I would rather sit on my boat and shoot myself in the foot than have to travel to the other side of the planet and have someone else do it.


If the support for Israel is for religious reasons, just say it and stop with the friend and ally excuse. I bought into this lie for most of my life until I "visited" the region and faced so much difficulty whenever the topic of Israel came up. This is dealing the average population, to include Arab Christians(yes they have existed for over 2000 years), not just your radical islamic type. Confirmed in absolute fact by me.


Spoken from the mouth of a Combat Disabled Paratrooper Veteran Constitutional Conservative American Christian. Not to be confused with a nutbag religious republican in name only neocon.

AGREED!

I went to graduate school here in the U.S. in a department with a Iraqi scientist as it's chairman. U.S. students at the time and perhaps even now shied away from science, so, many of the students in the department were foreigners. Because of the Chaiman's Arab roots perhaps as many as 40% of those were Arabs or others from the ME.

I got an earful every time Pisrael stole more land or wantonly killed more Arabs. Over time, I changed my attitude too and started listening to them and the students who were Palestinians and their stories, personal stories, of incredible abuses by the IDF and by Pisraeli "settlers". Some had pictures of the aftermath of these abuses and they appeared quite real.

Their story is not being told here. Israel is not a state with an army, it's an army with a state. And, they're as evil as they come.

Thanks for chiming in bigOc. There's far too much mindless followership on this board about Israel and, of course, elsewhere.

LongFisher

[Glenn W]

I'm not so sure I'm as biased against Isreal as you two, but I do agree with alot of what you say in principle.

Isreal is a devoted and valuable ally, but saints (no poor pun intented) they are not. I agree that the U.S. has often abandoned, or turned a blind eye, on it's longstanding principles of freedom and equality to all where Palestinians are concerned We have also tolerated (and even condoned) the conduct of Isreal when any other country would be severley chastized.

Oh well, it has been clear for the last 40 years that the caucation/christian west will not abandon Isreal as a problem, yet beloved, child under almost any circumstances.

[marine4003]

How about expressing support for the United States Constitution.


The only ally in the whole sand box?? If you have ever been in the sand box, and had to deal with the locals face to face on an extended basis, and develop an close relationship with civic leaders you would understand that that monkey on your back is the United States support for Israel. The only ally in the region stigma is so far from the truth and could only be believed from the comfort of a living room insulated from the reality of the middle east. I have not yet benefited from this ally, not once. United States military personnel have however sacrificed greatly in the defense of Israel.


Interesting fact, 3 billion with a B of US military aid to Israel and Israel is the only recipient of US military aid that is allowed to turnaround and sell that aid to US enemies such as Russia and China at a profit. US enemies that US soldiers prepare to do battle against. The only country in the world that is allowed to do this. See the circle of stupidity yet??? I would rather sit on my boat and shoot myself in the foot than have to travel to the other side of the planet and have someone else do it.


If the support for Israel is for religious reasons, just say it and stop with the friend and ally excuse. I bought into this lie for most of my life until I "visited" the region and faced so much difficulty whenever the topic of Israel came up. This is dealing the average population, to include Arab Christians(yes they have existed for over 2000 years), not just your radical islamic type. Confirmed in absolute fact by me.


Spoken from the mouth of a Combat Disabled Paratrooper Veteran Constitutional Conservative American Christian. Not to be confused with a nutbag religious republican in name only neocon.

Hold your horses there bigg-e, take some time and read longwinded's other posts..to say he enjoys provoking others is an understatement..so sometimes it amuses me to return fire,and be careful who you allie yourself with,in one post he calls Deltas "jerkwads"..then in another he states "My Marines" most of his drivel is intended to raise hackles. and by the way..wasn't the USA founded and established under the same conditions as Israel,minus the firepower..

[longfisher]

Hold your horses there bigg-e, take some time and read longwinded's other posts..to say he enjoys provoking others is an understatement..so sometimes it amuses me to return fire,and be careful who you allie yourself with,in one post he calls Deltas "jerkwads"..then in another he states "My Marines" most of his drivel is intended to raise hackles. and by the way..wasn't the USA founded and established under the same conditions as Israel,minus the firepower..

I certainly don't deny provoking your right-wing nutwads. I've become fond of the hyper-predictable hysteriotypical (I just invented that word) process of your unthinkingly rabid responses and how simple it is to make fools of you by chiming in with facts and by redirecting the thread towards established American values.

Remember the thread about "What's your specific objection to fair trials of American citizens?" You, in particular, Moron000 were chastised by that thread.

But Israel is a standout problem unrelated to my usual baiting here. Glen says there's been a 40 year history of caucasian/christian support of Israel. The only issue I have with that assessment is that it's without important qualifiers, that this support is and always has been near-absolute, often counter to our own interests, of a strength and vigor that's hard to explain without invoking the Jewish Lobby's stranglehold on Congress, the recognition of which also requires simultaneous but silent acknowledgement that another country can so control us that they often appear to dictate American foreign policy much more to their benefit than to ours.

Glen, I'll bet you wrote that bit about 40 years of obsequiousness and then let out a heavy sigh or resignation as you tacitly acknowledge that American ME policy was captive by Israel. I sense resignation to that fact in the way you presented it as unavoidable. Pity, right?

Plainly said, U.S. foreign policy should be in the interests of America, solely in America. When the alliances we might misguidedly have with other countries interfere with this principle then those alliances should be endangered rather than American policy or American treasure or American lives.

Sadly, that's not the way it works when it comes to Israel.

On a lighter note, Simon Peres (the President of Israel) recently said the British were the most anti-semitic of countries in that they almost universally opposed Israel's initiatives from the beginning of the country in 1948. Given that Israel was born of an insurgency against Britain, I suppose that's not too surprising. And, perhaps this is what Glen was referring to when he said our country and Israel share common birthing pains.

In the same article that I read about the Israeli President's recent remarks, I also read of a common British saying that goes something like this...

..."Anti-semitism is defined as hating Jews more than is absolutely necessary."

Delightfully ironic wording. Funny too. I chuckle at the Brit's wit if this accurately describes the majority opinion of Israel in Britain.

I also read that American foreign policy toward Israel is the first proven case where "inertia has attained a momentum of its own".

Also, delightfully ironic, if you understand the definitions of these physics terms.

Both expressions are deliciously sardonic and convoluted with respect to logic, syntax and semantics. So, they're absolutely appropriate in any discussion of our relationship with Israel.

LongFisher

[Glenn W]

Glen, I'll bet you wrote that bit about 40 years of obsequiousness and then let out a heavy sigh or resignation as you tacitly acknowledge that American ME policy was captive by Israel. I sense resignation to that fact in the way you presented it as unavoidable. Pity, right?
LongFisher

Actually, as I recall I had gas and took a long enjoyable fart.