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    Fishing industry leaders petition administration to fix mismanagement

    WASHINGTON — Concurrent with the Feb. 24 United We Fish rally, a coalition of fishing industry leaders called on the Obama administration to address "a crisis within the federal fisheries management system."

    They elected not to join commercial and recreational anglers on the Capitol steps to protest the closure of fisheries prompted by the reauthorized Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. But they voiced their support for management relief in a letter to Jane Lubchenco, administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
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    "There is a great deal of frustration among recreational anglers, much of it attributable to an agency that doesn't have the data, the science, or the will to properly manage us," said Pay Murray of the Coastal Conservation Association (CCA), a member of the coalition. "Recreational anglers have always been willing to do what is right to maintain healthy marine resources, but it is hard to have faith in many of the management measures we are seeing out of NMFS (National Marine Fisheries Service) right now. There is a better path than the one they are on now."

    Along with CCA, five other organizations sent the three-page letter to NOAA, parent agency for management of ocean fisheries: American Sportfishing Association (ASA), The Billfish Foundation, The Center for Coastal Conservation, International Game Fish Association, and National Marine Manufacturers Association..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackdaniels View Post
    WASHINGTON — Concurrent with the Feb. 24 United We Fish rally, a coalition of fishing industry leaders called on the Obama administration to address "a crisis within the federal fisheries management system."

    They elected not to join commercial and recreational anglers on the Capitol steps to protest the closure of fisheries prompted by the reauthorized Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. But they voiced their support for management relief in a letter to Jane Lubchenco, administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
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    "There is a great deal of frustration among recreational anglers, much of it attributable to an agency that doesn't have the data, the science, or the will to properly manage us," said Pay Murray of the Coastal Conservation Association (CCA), a member of the coalition. "Recreational anglers have always been willing to do what is right to maintain healthy marine resources, but it is hard to have faith in many of the management measures we are seeing out of NMFS (National Marine Fisheries Service) right now. There is a better path than the one they are on now."

    Along with CCA, five other organizations sent the three-page letter to NOAA, parent agency for management of ocean fisheries: American Sportfishing Association (ASA), The Billfish Foundation, The Center for Coastal Conservation, International Game Fish Association, and National Marine Manufacturers Association..

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    WHICH IS ONE REASON WHY I DO NOT MAIL A CHECK TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS .... I LOST CONFIDENCE IN THEM YEARS AGO...

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    I have so much to say about DC and our industry but still have not found the right words to say all I want to say.

    So here is just a few comments and figures to sorta start my point.


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    Now I can say personally no one contacted me as the owner of this site to say " Hey John he is all the details for the march. Here is all the info on why rec's and commercial guys need to go. Also here are ads you can place around your sites to make poeple aware."
    Now my father gets most data around here sent to him for posting so he can chime in and tell us also if anyone tried to use us to get info out on this.

    Sadly the only thing I saw were a group of rec's posting up some info to try to get attention on there own behalf.

    I stopped at the ac boat show a few weeks ago and was shocked when I spoke to a boat builder about this and he had never been contacted on this.

    I will say it was incredible to see MR MOTSCO STANDING ALONE WITH A SIGN ON HIS CHESTS. For those of you that don't know that name that is the owner of one of your favorite east coast fishing tournaments the WHITE MARLIN OPEN.
    Thank you MR. MOTSCO FOR STANDING IN!!!
    ALSO THANK YOU WAYNE FROM JERSEY CAPE YACHTS FOR TAKING THE DAY OFF TO STAND IN!!!!

    Now sadly
    * 2,461,694 Absolute Unique Visitors MAN THATS ALOT OF VOTES....
    But yet silence..........

    You can see around here industry support is not great for the internet from the marine industry. But I was shocked even by the lack of magazine ads about the march.

    All around I saw a lack of marketing.

    Personally I started counting heads in the photos we took at the event and I'm starting to think the numbers were around 1200 to 1500 people. I no doubt could be wrong but I am going to do my best to get some kind of head count.

    At the end of the day sadly we are very under educated.
    I heard them say at the end of the rally a site would be launched with educational info for us.
    WOW IN 2010 WE ARE GOING TO GET A SITE WITH INFO.

    I guess better late then never.

    Sadly money plays a big part. We are changing our ways here as we do have power of people.
    So this is one reason you now see we have a online store.
    Our goals are changing and we are trying to find away to fund education and move forward on a none bias level.
    Away to hire the right people to look at the groups and info and give us a honest opinion where we as recs need to put effort.

    All this send letter stuff to me is old school.

    I want to open a forum for recs and com's to put up videos photos of what fishing is to them. Put up the stories of what a law will do to your town. Then send these links to the senators make them feel the story with heart and not a form letter.

    VOTES
    * 2,461,694 Absolute Unique Visitors

    GROWING EVERY YEAR WE DO HAVE A VOICE.

    I realize Its time for me to do the work that no one seems to want to do unless we pay them.......

    Well I built this site on my dime cause I LOVE FISHING!
    So I will change a lot of my ways to help fight for us..

    Not gonna be easy and man I already am not liked by some and that will grow, but if the consumers of this industry are behind us I really believe we can help fight the fight to save a sport that is no doubt a FAMILY SPORT.
    More to come.





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    I just came from RFA website- No press releases on site about Feb 24 results. only 1 pre Feb 24th release about the rally. No quarterly newletter since October. I am not receiving emails from them on any subject even though I belong.

    Press releases on website since October

    Charleston SC - February 3, 2010
    SC General Assembly Resolution Says “NO” To Fishing Closures
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    Washington DC - December 16, 2009
    RFA Set To March On Washington - “United We Fish” To Seek Congressional Response On Feb. 24
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    Jacksonville, FL - December 4, 2009
    NOAA 'Champions' Another Closure - Red Snapper Fishery Closed Until Further Notice
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    Biloxi, MS - November 25, 2009
    SKA Hosts RFA Benefit At National Championships
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    Galloway, NJ - November 20, 2009
    Southeast Anglers Say It’s Time For Change - Congress Must Fix Federal Fisheries Law
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    Galloway, NJ - November 6, 2009
    RFA Praises Rhode Island Governor For Veto - Saltwater License Is Not A Federal Requirement
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    Galloway, NJ – October 28, 2009
    RFA Testifies At Congressional Hearing On Magnuson - Anglers Charge NMFS With Failing To Meet Mandates
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    Galloway, NJ - October 23, 2009
    12 Million U.S. Saltwater Anglers Ignored By Taskforce – New Federal Attempts to Circumvent Legislative Process


    Last quarterly newsletters- not even quarterly- maybe 3 a year

    Protecting The Rights Of Sport Fishermen Coast To Coast
    Makin' Waves Quarterly Newsletter
    NOAA Uses "Inadequate Analysis" To Deny Angler Access
    October 5, 2009 - As outlined in RFA's 7-page position paper (see homepage), NOAA continues using flawed survey methodology to determine how many fish are caught each year by recreational anglers. On October 2, 2009, RFA sent a letter to Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke on behalf of our national membership asking that MRFSS "not be used as the basis for real-time monitoring or in season adjustments to the recreational sector."
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    ASMFC to Hold Public Hearings on Winter Flounder
    April 2, 2009 – The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) considers options for rebuilding the winter flounder stock, including the possibility of recreational fishing moratorium in the Mid-Atlantic and South New England Region.
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    NY Saltwater Fishing Tax
    January 28, 2009 - Governor Paterson recently unveiled his 2009 Executive Budget, outlining his plan to guide NY through the current economic crisis. "From a financial standpoint, the implementation of a $19 saltwater license ($40 for tourists from out of state) stands to slow recreational activity at a time when the state and industry can not afford it."
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    Establishing a Piscatorial community of interest COI

    I've been tinkering with collecting fishing resources in an Excel spreadsheet for my own interests. These various resources could be coordinated over time to a community of interest (COI). If that can be accomplished perhaps then get votes (not opinions) mobilized for better resource management decisions.

    Admin feel free to figure out how to add to and manage the additions under the longer range goal of building a COI to work the resource management and legistative aspects.
    I think it needs to be converted into a data base in order to manage changes.

    COI's need structure, Vision statements, CONOP's etc. There are plenty enough smart people to work this instead of cavitating in different threads. I'll be happy to work with Admin towards long range effects for the fishing community of interest. Effects that have an impact on decisions in DC.
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    Free Jumper thanks for the info we are going to work hard to figure this all out, hopefully we can make a difference.





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    Is Flexibility the right thing?

    Many in politics say the truth tends to land somewhere in the middle.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Questions and Answers about
    The Flexibility in Rebuilding America’s Fisheries Act
    (Click HERE for the full text of the Flexibility Act, H.R.1584 and S.1171)

    Q. Does CCA support H.R.1584 and S.1171?

    A. · CCA is opposed to current legislation sponsored by Rep. Frank Pallone and Sen. Charles Schumer, also known as the Flexibility Act, which would weaken the conservation provisions of the Magnuson Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act.

    CCA does not believe that H.R.1584 and S.1171 would benefit anglers, as it does not address many of the core problems plaguing recreational fisheries.

    Q. What does the Flexibility Act propose to do?

    A. The bill does nothing more than delay the rebuilding of depleted populations. It does not provide for better data-gathering. It does not prevent the imposition of in-season closures when NMFS believes there is a danger of overfishing. It does not improve MRFSS data, or the way in which it is used. It just delays rebuilding. In that way, it is largely fighting last year’s—or perhaps last decade’s—fight. For most important recreational species, rebuilding has either been completed or is well underway, and little is gained by stretching out the last few years of recovery periods that are already well underway. The exceptions are those complexes of slow-growing, generally deep-water species which support a mixed commercial/recreational fishery: New England groundfish, southern snapper-grouper and Pacific rockfish.

    Claims that the current rebuilding deadlines don’t take biological or ecological conditions into account are false. The current law permits the 10-year deadline to be exceeded when the biology of the fish requires it, in which case the rebuilding period is generally one mean generation (the time it takes a fish of the affected species to mature) plus 10 years.

    The extension of the rebuilding deadlines in the Flexibility Act are simply designed to drag out recovery in order to allow the highest level of fishing pressure to continue.

    Q. If the rebuilding requirements are not the cause of the fisheries closures anglers are encountering in the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico, what is the real cause of the problems?

    A. The current "perfect storm" of problems facing the recreational fishery is not a simple summer rain shower moving through. It is a major front with many facets colliding at the same time to cause all sorts of problems.

    The MSA requirement to end overfishing by 2011. This one requirement sets the stage for all the rest. Congress now requires federal fishery managers to end overfishing no later than 2011, for all managed stocks. This in response to some managers that refused to end overfishing of a managed stock for years, simply because the pain was too great. New England cod are a good example, where the stock rebuilt slowly in response to managers refusal to end overfishing. In many cases stocks can be restored within the 10 year or more overfishing schedule while occasionally allowing slight overfishing to occur in some given years. In many cases the appearance of overfishing is false and is a result of expanding stocks allowing overfishing quotas to be met more quickly than in previous years.

    The precautionary tenor of MSA in light of poor data. As a sequel to the above bullet, managers have used lack of data as a reason to delay or simply not implement regulations on depressed stocks. MSA now requires manager to be less tentative in their management by setting lower allowable catches in the face of poor data. In general many stocks important to recreational anglers in federal waters have received less research and assessment work and therefore qualify ad "data poor."

    The precautionary ACL and AM language. As stated above Congress asked that managers be more risk averse in the face of inadequate data and NMFS decided to enforce that via their language on how Annual Catch Limits and Accountability Measures would be implemented. In the face of inadequate data managers must set their total allowable catches further away from what scientists say is the most that can be caught sustainably. With good data, if scientists decide a stock can withstand a catch of 500,000 pounds sustainably, managers might set a reasonable TAC at 450,000 pounds. With poor data and uncertainty they may have to set the TAC at 300,000 pounds.

    Past half measures, ineffective regulations and just plain inaction by managers. It is safe to say that when facing controversial measures that would end overfishing and recover stocks, most managers in the past have taken the easy road and put in measures that only went part of the way or, at best, met the required reductions on paper only. We are now paying the piper for these past sins. The South Atlantic snapper grouper complex is a good example of this, with active management for over 30 years and still some stocks in dire condition.

    NMFS own inability to handle these requirements. Congress put in a requirement that every fishery have an annual catch limit by sector, by 2011. What that means is each of 8 federal Fishery Management Councils must put in place fishery management plans, or amendments to existing fishery management plans, to put in accountability measures which will regulate the amount of fish taken in every sector for every stock of fish. In the reef fish complex in the Gulf of Mexico, for example, that means, specific measures to regulate the catch of every stock within the reef fish complex. 34 of the 44 species in that complex have never had an assessment. For the recreational sector, all of the accountability will be done through MRFSS. NMFS will have to review and approve all of these plans without extra funding or staff, by 2011.

    Lack of credible recreational data for the above. The National Research Council examined the current recreational data collection system and determined it is inadequate for current management measures. NMFS is in the process of upgrading the system and will have a new system, the Marine Recreational Information Program, in place within the next 5 years. Until that time we are forced to use the old system to mange in new ways. It will be like using a Volkswagen beetle to run a NASCAR race.

    Q. If the Flexibility Act had been fully implemented in 2009, would the federal government have closed South Atlantic red snapper or Gulf amberjack?

    A. The Flexibility Act would not have altered the outcome of last fall’s sudden closure of the recreational Gulf amberjack fishery either. The fishery has a set rebuilding deadline. It was shut down because the recreational sector’s share of the allowed catch was projected to exceed a cap, thus threatening overfishing. The recreational harvest would not have needed to close if their allocation had not been arbitrarily reduced by action of the Gulf Council and NMFS in 2007. Again, the Flexibility Act would have done nothing to address the finding that recreational anglers were overfishing their quota.

    The Flexibility Act would not address the South Atlantic red snapper issue either, as the fundamental problem for that stock is ending overfishing, not rebuilding the stock. Red snapper is a fish that lives more than 50 years, yet current science by the National Marine Fisheries Service indicates the age structure of the current population consists primarily of age 5 and under fish. The federal stock assessment indicates the spawning stock is at an extremely low level, less than 5 percent of an unfished stock and we are extracting fish at a rate exceeding 10 times the allowable level for a healthy stock. The science behind these findings is undergoing a review and update process, but the signs for red snapper certainly do not appear to be positive according to the science that is being produced. None of these problems, however, which are fundamental to the health of the stock, would be addressed by a flexible rebuilding schedule and anglers would still be facing massive bottom closures.

    In each of these cases, and in virtually every other recent fishery closure, flexible rebuilding timelines would not have made any difference in the ultimate outcome. They still would have been closed to deal with overfishing problems, which are often tied directly to the governments glaring lack of accurate data on recreational angling.

    Q. Same question - different coast. If the Flexibility Act had been fully implemented in 2009, how would it have impacted the many species of concern to recreational anglers on the East Coast?

    Black Sea Bass
    No effect. As black sea bass are already a “recovered” species, legislation that does nothing more than extend the rebuilding period/extend rebuilding would have no impact on current and future management. NMFS’ obligation to act to prevent overfishing would remain unchanged, so the October “emergency closure” would have been unaffected. The later debate over the Annual Catch Limit, which eventually saw the ACL raised to 3.7 million pounds, could be and was resolved under current law, and did not require “flexibility” legislation to accomplish.

    Blackfish (Tautog)
    No effect. Managed by ASMFC, which is not bound by the terms of the Magnuson Act.

    Bluefish
    No effect. Bluefish have been deemed recovered, making any change to the rebuilding period irrelevant.

    Cod
    Rebuilding period could be extended, likely to the detriment of anglers in some states. Anglers currently may retain 10 fish, and are enjoying a resurgence of cod into waters easily accessible by boats near the edges of the cod’s historical range. Extending the rebuilding period would have the effect of increasing the ACL, including commercial harvest, leaving fewer fish in the water than is currently the case. As boats fishing at the southern fringe of the cod’s range are dependent on a population large enough to leave its core New England range and expand into more southerly watersk. Increased commercial harvest would make such expansion less likely, and increase the pressure that commercial vessels would put on the fish. Thus, while “flexibility” legislation might increase the overall ACL, it could easily result in fewer cod being available to many anglers, and actually reduce recreational harvest.

    Scup
    No effect. Scup are rebuilt, and thus the delayed rebuilding permitted by the proposed “flexibility” language would have no effect. However, overfishing is still prohibited, so the 2010 ACL established by the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council, even if smaller than strictly necessary would not be affected, nor would future increases in the ACL be facilitated, by adoption of the legislation. The only certain way to ease recreational scup limits is to increase the recreational allocation from the current 21% of ACL.

    Striped bass
    No effect. Striped Bass are managed by ASMFC, which is not bound by the terms of the Magnuson Act.

    Summer flounder
    Rebuilding period could be extended, with debatable benefits. This is arguably the species which launched the “flexibility” movement. However, we are at the stage in the restoration of the stock where the benefits of extension may be moot. With only three years to go in the rebuilding process, and with the largest year class in 26 years having been spawned in 2008 (which will begin to recruit into the commercial fishery this year and into the recreational fishery in 2011), the full recovery of summer flounder by 2013 is likely a done deal. That is when the real discontent will set in, as anglers realize that the effect of the 2008 stock assessment, which lowered the estimate of stock productivity substantially, will be to permanently freeze limits at restrictive levels. The long-term answer to relief for coastal anglers lies in the reallocation of the overall ACL, and in abandoning the current state allocations, which are based on a single year of MRFSS data (1998), probably do not reflect the current summer distribution of the species and allocate nearly 40% of the recreational harvest to a single state, in favor of either coastwide regulations or a new set of state allocations which reflect the realities of today’s fishery, rather than those of a decade ago. “Flexibility” legislation will do nothing to relieve either the inter-sector or the inter-state imbalances which currently plague anglers.

    Weakfish
    No effect. Weakfish are managed by ASMFC, which is not bound by the terms of the Magnuson Act.

    Winter flounder
    Recovery could be delayed indefinitely so that stocks never rise above current levels; local extirpation is possible. Passage of “flexibility” legislation might well be the final nail in the flounder’s coffin or, at least, in the flounder’s recovery. Section 2(1)(B)(ii)(II) of the bill would permit the rebuilding period to be extended if the agency finds that the “cause of the fishery decline is outside the jurisdiction of the Council or the rebuilding program cannot be effective only by limiting fishing activities.” In the case of this particular provision, there is no restriction on how far out the rebuilding deadline might be set. Thus, if the New England Fishery Management Council, which has a history of denying fisheries problems and of attributing problems to causes other than fishing, were to determine that the winter flounder’s decline was due to pollution, shoreline hardening, dredging, predation, or even overfishing in state waters, which are outside of the Council’s jurisdiction, it could invoke this provision and use it to indefinitely delay the flounder’s recovery. Given the dire condition of the southern New England flounder stock—just 9% of the biomass target—combined with unavoidable scientific uncertainty and the fact that the stock is comprised of local subpopulations of greater or lesser degrees of vulnerability, failure to make a serious effort to recover the species by a date certain is likely to result in the permanent loss of local populations. Such loss, or even the failure to take meaningful measures to recover the stock, would not be of long-term benefit to anglers.

    Q. I thought the Flexibility Act addressed overfishing and Annual Catch Limits (ACLs) contained in the 2006 Reauthorization of MSA?

    A. Incorrect. The Flexibility Act addresses the rebuilding plans included in the 1996 Reauthorization of the MSA. Those rebuilding plans are not the “culprit” in the closures of 2008 and 2009. ACLs are. And sadly, despite the overheated rhetoric, “Flexibility” does nothing to address the real problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoo Nose View Post
    Is Flexibility the right thing?

    Many in politics say the truth tends to land somewhere in the middle.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Questions and Answers about
    The Flexibility in Rebuilding America’s Fisheries Act
    (Click HERE for the full text of the Flexibility Act, H.R.1584 and S.1171)

    Q. Does CCA support H.R.1584 and S.1171?

    A. · CCA is opposed to current legislation sponsored by Rep. Frank Pallone and Sen. Charles Schumer, also known as the Flexibility Act, which would weaken the conservation provisions of the Magnuson Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act.

    CCA does not believe that H.R.1584 and S.1171 would benefit anglers, as it does not address many of the core problems plaguing recreational fisheries.

    Q. What does the Flexibility Act propose to do?

    A. The bill does nothing more than delay the rebuilding of depleted populations. It does not provide for better data-gathering. It does not prevent the imposition of in-season closures when NMFS believes there is a danger of overfishing. It does not improve MRFSS data, or the way in which it is used. It just delays rebuilding. In that way, it is largely fighting last year’s—or perhaps last decade’s—fight. For most important recreational species, rebuilding has either been completed or is well underway, and little is gained by stretching out the last few years of recovery periods that are already well underway. The exceptions are those complexes of slow-growing, generally deep-water species which support a mixed commercial/recreational fishery: New England groundfish, southern snapper-grouper and Pacific rockfish.

    Claims that the current rebuilding deadlines don’t take biological or ecological conditions into account are false. The current law permits the 10-year deadline to be exceeded when the biology of the fish requires it, in which case the rebuilding period is generally one mean generation (the time it takes a fish of the affected species to mature) plus 10 years.

    The extension of the rebuilding deadlines in the Flexibility Act are simply designed to drag out recovery in order to allow the highest level of fishing pressure to continue.

    Q. If the rebuilding requirements are not the cause of the fisheries closures anglers are encountering in the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico, what is the real cause of the problems?

    A. The current "perfect storm" of problems facing the recreational fishery is not a simple summer rain shower moving through. It is a major front with many facets colliding at the same time to cause all sorts of problems.

    The MSA requirement to end overfishing by 2011. This one requirement sets the stage for all the rest. Congress now requires federal fishery managers to end overfishing no later than 2011, for all managed stocks. This in response to some managers that refused to end overfishing of a managed stock for years, simply because the pain was too great. New England cod are a good example, where the stock rebuilt slowly in response to managers refusal to end overfishing. In many cases stocks can be restored within the 10 year or more overfishing schedule while occasionally allowing slight overfishing to occur in some given years. In many cases the appearance of overfishing is false and is a result of expanding stocks allowing overfishing quotas to be met more quickly than in previous years.

    The precautionary tenor of MSA in light of poor data. As a sequel to the above bullet, managers have used lack of data as a reason to delay or simply not implement regulations on depressed stocks. MSA now requires manager to be less tentative in their management by setting lower allowable catches in the face of poor data. In general many stocks important to recreational anglers in federal waters have received less research and assessment work and therefore qualify ad "data poor."

    The precautionary ACL and AM language. As stated above Congress asked that managers be more risk averse in the face of inadequate data and NMFS decided to enforce that via their language on how Annual Catch Limits and Accountability Measures would be implemented. In the face of inadequate data managers must set their total allowable catches further away from what scientists say is the most that can be caught sustainably. With good data, if scientists decide a stock can withstand a catch of 500,000 pounds sustainably, managers might set a reasonable TAC at 450,000 pounds. With poor data and uncertainty they may have to set the TAC at 300,000 pounds.

    Past half measures, ineffective regulations and just plain inaction by managers. It is safe to say that when facing controversial measures that would end overfishing and recover stocks, most managers in the past have taken the easy road and put in measures that only went part of the way or, at best, met the required reductions on paper only. We are now paying the piper for these past sins. The South Atlantic snapper grouper complex is a good example of this, with active management for over 30 years and still some stocks in dire condition.

    NMFS own inability to handle these requirements. Congress put in a requirement that every fishery have an annual catch limit by sector, by 2011. What that means is each of 8 federal Fishery Management Councils must put in place fishery management plans, or amendments to existing fishery management plans, to put in accountability measures which will regulate the amount of fish taken in every sector for every stock of fish. In the reef fish complex in the Gulf of Mexico, for example, that means, specific measures to regulate the catch of every stock within the reef fish complex. 34 of the 44 species in that complex have never had an assessment. For the recreational sector, all of the accountability will be done through MRFSS. NMFS will have to review and approve all of these plans without extra funding or staff, by 2011.

    Lack of credible recreational data for the above. The National Research Council examined the current recreational data collection system and determined it is inadequate for current management measures. NMFS is in the process of upgrading the system and will have a new system, the Marine Recreational Information Program, in place within the next 5 years. Until that time we are forced to use the old system to mange in new ways. It will be like using a Volkswagen beetle to run a NASCAR race.

    Q. If the Flexibility Act had been fully implemented in 2009, would the federal government have closed South Atlantic red snapper or Gulf amberjack?

    A. The Flexibility Act would not have altered the outcome of last fall’s sudden closure of the recreational Gulf amberjack fishery either. The fishery has a set rebuilding deadline. It was shut down because the recreational sector’s share of the allowed catch was projected to exceed a cap, thus threatening overfishing. The recreational harvest would not have needed to close if their allocation had not been arbitrarily reduced by action of the Gulf Council and NMFS in 2007. Again, the Flexibility Act would have done nothing to address the finding that recreational anglers were overfishing their quota.

    The Flexibility Act would not address the South Atlantic red snapper issue either, as the fundamental problem for that stock is ending overfishing, not rebuilding the stock. Red snapper is a fish that lives more than 50 years, yet current science by the National Marine Fisheries Service indicates the age structure of the current population consists primarily of age 5 and under fish. The federal stock assessment indicates the spawning stock is at an extremely low level, less than 5 percent of an unfished stock and we are extracting fish at a rate exceeding 10 times the allowable level for a healthy stock. The science behind these findings is undergoing a review and update process, but the signs for red snapper certainly do not appear to be positive according to the science that is being produced. None of these problems, however, which are fundamental to the health of the stock, would be addressed by a flexible rebuilding schedule and anglers would still be facing massive bottom closures.

    In each of these cases, and in virtually every other recent fishery closure, flexible rebuilding timelines would not have made any difference in the ultimate outcome. They still would have been closed to deal with overfishing problems, which are often tied directly to the governments glaring lack of accurate data on recreational angling.

    Q. Same question - different coast. If the Flexibility Act had been fully implemented in 2009, how would it have impacted the many species of concern to recreational anglers on the East Coast?

    Black Sea Bass
    No effect. As black sea bass are already a “recovered” species, legislation that does nothing more than extend the rebuilding period/extend rebuilding would have no impact on current and future management. NMFS’ obligation to act to prevent overfishing would remain unchanged, so the October “emergency closure” would have been unaffected. The later debate over the Annual Catch Limit, which eventually saw the ACL raised to 3.7 million pounds, could be and was resolved under current law, and did not require “flexibility” legislation to accomplish.

    Blackfish (Tautog)
    No effect. Managed by ASMFC, which is not bound by the terms of the Magnuson Act.

    Bluefish
    No effect. Bluefish have been deemed recovered, making any change to the rebuilding period irrelevant.

    Cod
    Rebuilding period could be extended, likely to the detriment of anglers in some states. Anglers currently may retain 10 fish, and are enjoying a resurgence of cod into waters easily accessible by boats near the edges of the cod’s historical range. Extending the rebuilding period would have the effect of increasing the ACL, including commercial harvest, leaving fewer fish in the water than is currently the case. As boats fishing at the southern fringe of the cod’s range are dependent on a population large enough to leave its core New England range and expand into more southerly watersk. Increased commercial harvest would make such expansion less likely, and increase the pressure that commercial vessels would put on the fish. Thus, while “flexibility” legislation might increase the overall ACL, it could easily result in fewer cod being available to many anglers, and actually reduce recreational harvest.

    Scup
    No effect. Scup are rebuilt, and thus the delayed rebuilding permitted by the proposed “flexibility” language would have no effect. However, overfishing is still prohibited, so the 2010 ACL established by the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council, even if smaller than strictly necessary would not be affected, nor would future increases in the ACL be facilitated, by adoption of the legislation. The only certain way to ease recreational scup limits is to increase the recreational allocation from the current 21% of ACL.

    Striped bass
    No effect. Striped Bass are managed by ASMFC, which is not bound by the terms of the Magnuson Act.

    Summer flounder
    Rebuilding period could be extended, with debatable benefits. This is arguably the species which launched the “flexibility” movement. However, we are at the stage in the restoration of the stock where the benefits of extension may be moot. With only three years to go in the rebuilding process, and with the largest year class in 26 years having been spawned in 2008 (which will begin to recruit into the commercial fishery this year and into the recreational fishery in 2011), the full recovery of summer flounder by 2013 is likely a done deal. That is when the real discontent will set in, as anglers realize that the effect of the 2008 stock assessment, which lowered the estimate of stock productivity substantially, will be to permanently freeze limits at restrictive levels. The long-term answer to relief for coastal anglers lies in the reallocation of the overall ACL, and in abandoning the current state allocations, which are based on a single year of MRFSS data (1998), probably do not reflect the current summer distribution of the species and allocate nearly 40% of the recreational harvest to a single state, in favor of either coastwide regulations or a new set of state allocations which reflect the realities of today’s fishery, rather than those of a decade ago. “Flexibility” legislation will do nothing to relieve either the inter-sector or the inter-state imbalances which currently plague anglers.

    Weakfish
    No effect. Weakfish are managed by ASMFC, which is not bound by the terms of the Magnuson Act.

    Winter flounder
    Recovery could be delayed indefinitely so that stocks never rise above current levels; local extirpation is possible. Passage of “flexibility” legislation might well be the final nail in the flounder’s coffin or, at least, in the flounder’s recovery. Section 2(1)(B)(ii)(II) of the bill would permit the rebuilding period to be extended if the agency finds that the “cause of the fishery decline is outside the jurisdiction of the Council or the rebuilding program cannot be effective only by limiting fishing activities.” In the case of this particular provision, there is no restriction on how far out the rebuilding deadline might be set. Thus, if the New England Fishery Management Council, which has a history of denying fisheries problems and of attributing problems to causes other than fishing, were to determine that the winter flounder’s decline was due to pollution, shoreline hardening, dredging, predation, or even overfishing in state waters, which are outside of the Council’s jurisdiction, it could invoke this provision and use it to indefinitely delay the flounder’s recovery. Given the dire condition of the southern New England flounder stock—just 9% of the biomass target—combined with unavoidable scientific uncertainty and the fact that the stock is comprised of local subpopulations of greater or lesser degrees of vulnerability, failure to make a serious effort to recover the species by a date certain is likely to result in the permanent loss of local populations. Such loss, or even the failure to take meaningful measures to recover the stock, would not be of long-term benefit to anglers.

    Q. I thought the Flexibility Act addressed overfishing and Annual Catch Limits (ACLs) contained in the 2006 Reauthorization of MSA?

    A. Incorrect. The Flexibility Act addresses the rebuilding plans included in the 1996 Reauthorization of the MSA. Those rebuilding plans are not the “culprit” in the closures of 2008 and 2009. ACLs are. And sadly, despite the overheated rhetoric, “Flexibility” does nothing to address the real problem.

    Hoo Nose, are you a CCA member, just guessing here? I have read the above...twice. There is a lot that is misleading in all this.

    The "Flexibility Act" is to temporally stop the bleeding and the loss of jobs and income from both the charter and commercial people, which also trickles down to the coastal towns with loss of income and jobs and taxes, which in effect, effects the recreational fishermen and women.

    I am saddened to see that CCA is not in support of our fisheries and as usual with this group, you either think their way or you are wrong. I read an article this past spring where CCA was in support of "Catch Shares" auctioned off to the highest bidder, soon it will be the rich get to go fishing where the majority of the people have to sit at home and pay high dollar for imported seafood.

    Why is it with over 75% fish stocks "recovered" and another 15% on top of that "sustainable" then why is it, because of the "Magnusson Act", that they still reduce the amount of fish that we can take and put further restrictions on all of us, both recreational and commercial . This is what the "Flexibility Act" is looking at slowing down or stopping. If you my friend think for 1 second that "Catch Shares" is good for us and will boost our economy, then you are sadly mistaken...
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    I WAS HOPING TO SEE WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY BEFORE I GO BACK DOWN TO CAPE MAY TO FINISH MY ADDITION.
    ITS HARD TO PUT IT INTO WORDS, ISNT IT? THE PROBLEM CANT BE IGNORED, FISH STOCKS ARE IN TROUBLE, AND TO PUT IT INTO WORDS WITHOUT OFFENDING ANYONE WILL BE DIFFICULT. AND BELIEVE ME, I KNOW........PEOPLE ARE JUST WAITING TO BE OFFENDED ON THIS ISSUE. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH AN INTEREST IN THIS, BUT I BELIEVE ALL WITH ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MUCH MORE NARROW INTEREST IN THE FINAL CONCLUSION. A BOAT BUILDER, TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER, CHARTER FISHERMAN, COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN, AND RECREATIONAL FISHERMAN TO NAME A FEW I DONT BELIEVE EVER HAD THE SAME INTEREST AND STILL DONT. BUT, WHAT DO I KNOW. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, I WILL LOOK FOR IT WHEN I GET HOME LATER THIS WEEK. THANKS,

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