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    new break through in bio fuel

    Biofuels, generally ethanol, are becoming more and more popular as an alternative to fossil fuel. The emissions are cleaner and the fuel is essentially “home grown” so little to no reliance on foreign oil interests. Unfortunately, the processes used to make ethanol from corn or other plant materials has been costly and inefficient. Developments at the University of Georgia and Iowa State should make ethanol production more efficient and cost effective.
    Dr. Joy Peterson, professor of microbiology and chair of UGA’s Bioenergy Task Force, announced a new technology for breaking down inexpensive waste products including corn stover or bagasse, the waste from corn and sugar cane harvests, fast-growing weeds and non-food crops grown for biofuel, such as switchgrass, Napiergrass and Bermudagrass.
    This is good news since all of these are non food crops and won’t add to the growing threat of food shortages. Corn has now become more valuable as an ethanol source than a food source. Since corn is in just about everything we eat or drink, food costs have gone up.
    What exactly this new technology is, has not been divulged since Dr. Patterson, and her co-developers, former UGA microbiology student Sarah Kate Brandon, and Mark Eiteman, professor of biological and agricultural engineering, are applying for a patent. However, the following is known about this new process.
    The new technology features a fast, mild, acid-free pretreatment process that increases by at least 10 times the amount of simple sugars released from inexpensive biomass for conversion to ethanol. The technology effectively eliminates the use of expensive and environmentally unsafe chemicals currently used to pretreat biomass.




    Meanwhile, Iowa State has found that utilizing certain fungi during the dry grind process of ethanol production, improves and cleans up the process. Ethanol is actually made by grinding corn kernels(or other biomass). Then water and enzymes are added to break the starches into sugars, which are then fermented with yeast to make ethanol.
    The ethanol actually has to be distilled to separate the usable biofuel from leftover solids and fluids. For every one gallon of ethanol, there are about 6 gallons of of these leftovers called stillage. Thin stillage is the unusable fluid that is left.
    By adding Rhizopus microsporus, to thin stillage the fungus removes about 80 percent of the organic material and all of the solids in the stillage, allowing the water and enzymes to be recycled back into production. The fungus actually thrives during the process and can then be mixed in with the left over solids and sold for livestock feed.
    Researchers Hans van Leeuwen, an Iowa State professor of civil, construction and environmental engineering and the leader of the research project; Anthony L PomettoIII, a professor of food science and human nutrition; Mary Rasmussen, a graduate student in environmental engineering and biorenewable resources and technology; and Samir Khanal, a former Iowa State research assistant professor who’s now an assistant professor of molecular biosciences and bioengineering at the University of Hawaii at Manoa believe that the addition of fungi could reduce energy costs by one-third.
    Reducing the energy needed to create ethanol, also lowers the final cost. Since more money can also be made from selling larger amounts of solid leftovers and fungi, the overall costs should be lowered, yet again.


    These two developments together will go a long way toward making ethanol a more cost effective fuel to produce as well as reducing our dependency on foreign oil sources.

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    Anything that converts to BTU's

    is OK in my book. Any form of energy will take some of the pressure off oil.

    As pressure is taken off oil, there may be more available for my boat.

    The field is wide open for entreprenours to develope alternatives etc. But there will need to be some streamlining of the process. Permits, restrictions, injunctions, etc could delay this indefinitely. We will need political leadership to pave the way.

    At present, congress is the biggest hurdle.

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    [quote=bigeasy;390847]is OK in my book. Any form of energy will take some of the pressure off oil.

    As pressure is taken off oil, there may be more available for my boat.

    The field is wide open for entreprenours to develope alternatives etc. But there will need to be some streamlining of the process. Permits, restrictions, injunctions, etc could delay this indefinitely. We will need political leadership to pave the way.

    And there in lays the bugaboo our marvelous congress. Those self serving pompus, arrogant asses care nothing for the rest of us only what they can reap in power and money for themselves. Too damn many lawyers elected to public office in my humble opinion. If only the electorate would fire a bunch of them and elect fresh faces maybe something would change. Both parties are to blame and have the same kind of attitudes toward us it seems. If we could get a good percentage of the incumbants replaced maybe the rest would finally pay attention to the rest of us and leave their petty ideas and squables at home.

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    just think...if bill gates was a chemist instead of a coder we would have plenty of fuel

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    Obama said to properly inflate your tires and to tune up
    your cars is the answer. And this guy is running for president.
    SCARY

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    No smartass remarks dude...

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn W View Post
    Cliff,
    It would appear that your friend/relative has his facts confused. The President's Executive statement was on July 14. Oil Prices started their decline on July 7. In fact, Oil prices were higher the day after the announcement (July 15) than a week prior to the announcement. It is safe to say that the President's anouncement had absolutley no impact on oil prices (spot or futures)-- indeed, consistent with authoritative sources regarding the expected price implications on oil (no impact) should the U.S. open it's offshore fields to drilling. The recent price declines (starting a week before the President's annoucement) have been a result of news concerning decreased demand and higher out of ground inventories--- no great suprises there.

    I find it especially interesting that two men of science (chemistry & medicine) are more interested in attempting to foster misconceptions by making points with myths and have succumed to political fodder, rather than objective decision making utilizing data, science, and objective authoritative sources.

    Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/crude2.html

    I just wonder where your political alegiances lie? Be you leftist, rightist, or yourownist? Just curious professor...

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeasy View Post
    As pressure is taken off oil, there may be more available for my boat.
    There is one big advantage to using biofuels in your boat instead of oil derived fuels. They're bio-degradable! Just think, no fines for spilling it.

    Of course this will result in a revenue shortfall which our wonderful leaders will find a new way to get out of our hides.
    IE8 says this may be a phishing site....Well, DUH!!!!!!... Stupid jerks can't even spell fishing right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaclops View Post
    Obama said to properly inflate your tires and to tune up
    your cars is the answer. And this guy is running for president.
    SCARY
    Obama needs to properly inflate his lips and shut the F up!

    We need an overall energy plan that includes drilling offshore and in ANWR. Then we need to invest in new nuke generation coupled with hydrogen generating plants to provide fuel for the the forthcoming fuel cell powered vehicles. They are currently in the test phase on fuel cell powered vehicles, but the hydrogen to fuel them comes from either natural gas, or petroleum, so it does nothing to wean us off oil. Nuke plants coupled with hydrogen generation plants are the answer. Assess a tax on drilling in ANWR and Offshore and use those funds to invest in nukes, hydrogen generation capability and the hydrogen station infrastructure necessary to service a nationwide fleet of fuel cell powered vehicles.

    BTW they're saying that at current prices, oil is priced out to demand expectations in 2020. So if Pelosi and her clowns think that opening ANWR and Offshore to drilling will do nothing to for the short term price of oil, they're wrong because expectations out to 2020 are already priced in and that currently does not include ANWR or Offshore.

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