CIA Killed Bin Laden

[clt_capt]

Not much info yet, but apparently there is DNA proof that it is him, he is dead and the body is in US hands...

[worldcat lemon]

What? Were did you hear that? I won't believe it til I see his scroungy bearded head!

[marine4003]

apparently, Team 6 killed him,and he was buried at sea..no DNA...Hummmmm, i wonder...Naaa, they wouldn't dream up this to boost acceptance ratings...whould they?

[longfisher]

...a symbolic victory, for sure. And, an important if not strategically important moment lies ahead of Obama if he's smart enough to sieze upon it, something about which I have sincere doubts. He's miserably squandered important opportunities to lead in the past.

I heard on Morning Joe today that irritating woman Peggy Noonan who it is said never misses an opportunity to exaggerate American achievements say that this was moment that demonstrated America had unsheathed its "Terrible Swift Sword", re: from the Battle Hymn of the Republic. That statement is as delusional now as it was when it was written into the hymn. I burst out in laughter when she said it.

Then Mike Barnacle chimed in and said, "This is a demonstration to the world that the United States can go anywhere and do anything anytime it wants to." LMFAO.

I'm going to use uncharacteristic restraint in my comments for a while in the aftermath of OBL's killing. I know there's going to be a ton of forgetfullness on the part of many Americans about how costly this phyric victory has been, how glacially slow has been the progress leading up to this moment and how battered our nation has become in the nearly decade since 09/11/2001. And, I know that this moment in time will be overinterpreted, as per the likes of Peggy Noonan, as a vindication of everything American.

But let people sigh a sigh of relief that one more of our creations that went rogue has been eliminated (or martyred, which is 10 times worse in other direction). I'll admit I felt a sign of relief too and will continue to be relieved, until the next terrorist attack here or abroad or the next battlefield reversal in Afghanistan occurs or the entire country of Iraq becomes an Iranian colony...

To my mind, this is not a moment of salvation as were those days when Germany and then Japan were vanquished. Rather than a moment of salvation, this is more a moment of salving...a deep and festering wound the likes of which we are all but certain to sustain again and perhaps sustain in the very near future and as horrible as it might be to imagine perhaps a wound that will be even greater.

LF

[longfisher]

OBL killed the same date as...

Hitler killed in his bunker (65 years ago) and...

Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" after his strategically disasterous invasion of Iraq (8 years ago).

At least, Obama had the good sense to refrain from saying "mission accomplished".

LF

[seapower]

It isn't over with the death of OBL. But I have to say with EXTREME pride that he was killed by the hand's of the very one's I said on the day of 9-11 would bring his demise, SEAL SIX. Yes it took longer than I would have liked, but this a-hole was killed by the BEST of American Blood. The best of the best, make no doubt.
I don't care about the politic's, the ******* is dead !!!! Frank

[longfisher]

I too am relieved, for the moment, at least.

Frank, let me ask you a question. You may recall that once you, I and others varied with one another here about which strategy would have been best to go after the 09/11 killers, global war feuled by blind rage as Bush did or via intelligence means. I don't want to take the time to quote anyone, but most here defended the blind rage.

So, to those who did, let me ask a simple question. Does the fact that intelligence assets and elite troops landed in a simple heliborne assault on a structure in a built up area by a mere 25 ground troops succeeded in getting OBL change your perception of the worth of the global war initiated by Bush.

OBL was gotten by precisely the sorts of means I recommended...not by the means most here recommended. Only one civilian was killed in this operation, to the best of my knowledge. Millions of Iraqis were unnecessarily killed, both directly by U.S. forces and indirectly by the forces they unleashed within Iraq.

Can you now see the merit of my then position? Isn't smart better than brutish force most of the time? If that weren't true most of us with fish with explosives intead of lures.

LF

[seapower]

I wouldn't "over think" them burying him at sea. They did the same thing with him that they do with the rest of the garbage they aquire out there, they just "deep sixed" his sorry A S S !
LongFisher, I still don't agree with your take on the Iraqi War. I still believe it was the thing to do with Saddam and his military. Why would you "wait" for a known adversary to keep building his capability's? He killed his own people, he invaded his neighbor's and had a deep hatred for the US. In my eye's it was only a matter of time before (if allowed) before he did real damage to us and our allie's. I don't think Bush dealt with 9-11 in a blind rage as you point out at all. If that was the case the entire area would be a glass parking lot. I'm sorry, I still don't get your logic. In my opinion the moment you threaten me, the fight is on. Why wait for the first punch, it's just the way the "world" is in my eye's. Iraq now is a threat to no one. Yes "innocent's" died, no argument there, but what large scale military operation is carried out without that? Truth be known, our troop's for the very vast majority of time took out those that were a threat. Remember surrender is alway's an option. Please name any Force in the world that would allow the mass surrender's and then the care afterward that our troop's did. The Japanese certainly didn't, nor the Korean's, nor the VietCong, etc...... I don't see us as being "blood thirsty" as some paint us. But make no mistake, we will defend ourselve's against any foe. If you would be so kind to name just one military action we have taken ever without being provoked first. I'm not gonna get bogged down with a discourse on this subject, but I promise you I stand firm in my belief's. THis thing is a long way from being over, as I'm sure you and I will agree. Frank

[Capt. Jon Tennant]

So, to those who did, let me ask a simple question. Does the fact that intelligence assets and elite troops landed in a simple heliborne assault on a structure in a built up area by a mere 25 ground troops succeeded in getting OBL change your perception of the worth of the global war initiated by Bush.


Can you now see the merit of my then position? Isn't smart better than brutish force most of the time? If that weren't true most of us with fish with explosives intead of lures.

LF

simple answer... no. do you really think if the wars had not forced him into hiding he would not still of had the protection of a country's rag tag army along with all his followers around him? do you honestly feel 25 men could have flown in and done the job facing that kind of force instead of ram-sacking his hideout that was unable to be properly protected for fear of being exposed?

& if i were allowed, explosives would been my first choice "go to" tackle... never seen anything else come close to matching it effectiveness.

[seapower]

What if then Pres. Bill Clinton had taken OBL out the numerous time's he had the opertunity? The time to head off a threat is before it can gain more power and ability.JMO, Frank