Cheney Indicted...by Nigeria no less.

[longfisher]

Interpol now has an arrest warrant for Cheney from Nigeria. The indictment is for Halliburton's illegal bribery of Nigerian officials while he was the CEO. Sadly, it's not for war crimes.

Anyway, like the international arrest warrant recently issued by Sweden for Julian Assange of Wikileaks fame, the U.S. is treaty-bound to honor it. As the U.S. also has and has had since the 30's an extradition treaty with Nigeria there's no reason for the U.S. not to collect Cheney and render him to the Nigerian authorities...just as they would Assange to the Swedish authorities if they could lay their hands on him.

You know I constantly harp on this board about American hypocrasy and the near-constant violation of the rule of law by the government when it is time to apply it to the American elites (AEs) but the strict adherence to the rule of law if the person charged is a commoner (use of English slang for citizens deliberate). Well, this is going to play out as a buttress to that harping.

There's a class war going on and only the elites are engaged in fighting it. The rest of the country is just laying low hoping they won't individually get rolled up in it. And, you call this freedom, HA!

LF

[Avenger]

What color is the sky in your world?

[Curmudgeon]

Interpol now has an arrest warrant for Cheney from Nigeria.

Probably a scam, and they really want to give him $40 mil ...

[longfisher]

I just wish LF would go ahead and leave the Country he loves so much. This Wikileak thing is some good fuel for his fire. He will have fodder for months to come from this windfall in his favor.

90 percent of what is revealed is stuff we have no business knowing about anyway. War is something the commoner doesn't understand and should not be exposed to it. Props to all the Veterans but you true Vets should know war is to much for the average citizen to comprehend. So why prey on their weakness of being emotianal over collateral casualty to further your cause of bashing our country. If we roll up in a country of concern we should smoke em all in a few weeks and get out. Let it be known we are coming give the good guys time to move and go at it.

If we have to lie, cheat and steal to keep our advantage as The Super Power then let's do it. Like I said months ago back the clock up 50 years and enjoy true existence again.

LF, hush now. People can read for themselves,if they need to know something let them search it out. You have some valid points but your school girl crying is getting old. Why can't they ban you for to much US hating? You Commie *******.

The same goes for the financial stuff. The WHOLE world plays dirty, I think our guys should be the best at it. So get over some pay offs here and there atleast a US Citizen was doing it to another Country.

They've certainly got you gut hooked.

I dont' think freedom is possible if there's no even application of the rule of law. You can have tyranny, monarchy and serfdom. But you can't have freedom.

And you call me a commie for pointing this out. That's about as illogical as it comes.

LF

[Reel Thrill]

Do you really wish to see a former US Vice President in a Nigerian jail? Do you think that just maybe he may know some state secrets or other things that the Nigerians would enjoy finding out and might not be beneficial to our country? I really can't believe that someone would post something like this in a public forum and mean it. This is why we're stuck with Obama now.

[longfisher]

Do you really wish to see a former US Vice President in a Nigerian jail? Do you think that just maybe he may know some state secrets or other things that the Nigerians would enjoy finding out and might not be beneficial to our country? I really can't believe that someone would post something like this in a public forum and mean it. This is why we're stuck with Obama now.

...until we start prosecuting the elites regardless of their past service we're not free in any way. We're serfs.

The U.S. has a treaty obligation to arrest Cheney and render him to justice in Nigeria. We also have a valid extradition treaty with Nigeria. To my knowledge, he's wanted for illegal bribery there, not for war crimes. And, to my knowledge the only exceptions to the extradition treaty is that he might be being sought by Nigeria for exercising political freedoms.

He's being charged with orchestrating a huge bribery ring while the CEO of Halliburton. That's hardly political. It's plainly and simply criminal. Furthermore, the U.S. fined Halliburton and Halliburton paid a fine in the U.S. of hundreds of millions of dollars for exactly that same bribery scheme. But the U.S. declined to prosecute Cheney (who may have been the VP at the time).

It's our obligation to arrest him and render him to Nigeria for trial. He's rich as all get out. He'll have great lawyers, in Nigeria.

The same with Hillary Clinton. She violated a treaty prohibition (same as domestic law once it's ratified) and she violated international law. Interpol needs to issue an arrest warrant and she needs to be tried.

What is it about the equal application of the law that you find so abhorrent? It happens to be the basis of the 14th Amendment. Do you have a particular problem with the Constitution or just that amendment or just giving people equal treatment under the law?

Oh, Jay W, your post above appears to be sort of stuff you're unlikely to teach your children at home. As I recall though, you were fond of stoning and you cited the Bible or Christian precepts as the foundation of your fondness of this particularly brutal form of capital punishment.

With that as a precedent, I suppose I should expect just about everything nonsensical imaginable in your posts.

By the way, I'll test the new "no personal attacks" doctrine with your post as I don't appreciate being called a "commie *******" for advocating the application of the 14th Amendments Equal Protections Clause. Let's see if they mean business with the Zero Tolerance policy or not.

Let us know, OK?

LF

[longfisher]

your rhetorical post about nothing you can control. What are you accomplishing here on SF? Nothing but irritation. I ramble just to bug you. Go cry elsewhere. Personal attacks, please I didn't know you were really a terrorist. I was just being a smart ass. Who knew.

...you needn't read my posts, Jay W. As I understand it, there's a way to prevent my posts from even being seen on your screen when you logon to SFM.

If opposing views so rile you that you resort to Argumentum ad hominem (look it up) to try to discredit my point of view then why don't you avoid the posts and posters that unshackle you so from reality.

Why don't you try debating in a civil fashion rather than calling people names because you don't like what you hear from them? As I understand it, that's the new policy around here.

Oh, and your posts don't bug me, the senseless name-calling and personal attacks do. Heck, I needn't debate with you to discredit your point of view. You do such a great job of it all by yourself.

Remember, how you posted how disappointed you were about what you perceived to be the bum rap Christians get all the time for being extremists and then in the very same post advocated that the medieval form of capital punishment called stoning be brought to American justice? I rest my case.

LF

[Curmudgeon]

You really do take yourself that serious don't you.
Are you kidding? Longfisher would have us believe he's the only true of the conscience of the nation ...

[longfisher]

You really do take yourself that serious don't you.
Are you kidding? Longfisher would have us believe he's the only true of the conscience of the nation ...

...try to adhere to true American values, mostly found in the defining document of our times the Constitution, and the laws, treaties and international obligations freely entered into by the U.S. in accordance with the Constitution. Like many Libertarians, I feel the U.S. has drifted very wide of the original and absolutely admirable intent of the founders, such intent as made the young U.S. the envy of the world and the defining example of true democratic freedom.

There's a central theme in most of my posts. That is that we're substantially worse of a country for having done so. There really are times I cannot recognize the U.S. anymore as compared to the country that I grew up in as a kid. I'm sure most of you, regardless of your political views would agree with that.

But I'm particularly incensed at the role conservatism and especially Republicans play is this drama. For all to see and for all to hear these people, false patriots I call them, like to suggest that they are the true defenders of freedom and the closest adherents to the Constitution. But they're precisely the opposite.

These false patriots intellectually and with their votes tolerate and enable almost all of the most perniciously corrosive acts in the U.S. today. They in their worryingly large numbers have an enormous impact on the direction of the country and it is my belief that if they're not challenged and at least at first reasoned with the direction they're leading us towards is fascism.

That's just simply not something I'll tolerate.

My friends sometimes remark that I take my freedoms too seriously. My response is always, "you only get to keep the freedoms you fight for". And, with regards to those freedoms, I seem always in a fighting mood. If that's what your rather unflattering post suggests, then I must agree with you.

I say particular above-quoted phrase so often that my family has offered to put the phrase on my tombstone. I think that's entirely fitting given the life I've lived. I hope they do so.

I'm sorry if my views of freedom offend you. But if they do, we're never going to reconcile that difference, not ever. But thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify this for you.

LF