Caterpillar 3196 and C12 Lawsuit Update, December 08'

[Storm]

Brief History:

During a 2001 Caterpillar dealer video conference regarding 3196 aftercooler defects, Cat representatives described the magnitude of the problem to their dealers, “We fully expect that fifty percent of these cores will in fact leak by two thousand hours.” The prognosis – one hundred percent failure rate was anticipated. Some failures occurred within fifty operating hours. Court documents indicate that “of four thousand six hundred and three 3196 engines in the stream of commerce, four thousand one hundred and seven had admittedly defective aftercoolers.” Other documents describe a failure rate of “eighty to ninety percent on about four thousand engines in the field.” The failure rate of aftercooler cores was so high that Caterpillar authorized Modine, the aftercooler manufacturer, to release newly designed aftercoolers prior to completing product design verification testing.

In 2002, Cat engineers experimented with the concept of replacing the problematic tube and fin type aftercoolers with more robust bar-plate design aftercoolers – similar to those installed on C18 engines. Rumor has it; the multi-billion dollar corporate conglomerate wasn’t willing to reach into its deep pockets in order to pay for the expensive upgrades. Rather than affect a real cure, Cat decided upon a band-aid and bubble gum approach - eight band-aids to be exact. During a ten year period, Caterpillar engineers redesigned the tube and fin aftercoolers eight times. Cats’ attorneys allow that design changes to the aftercoolers weren’t due to an inherent design defect; they were simply “quality improvements” because Caterpillar was unhappy with the useful lives of the aftercoolers. Indeed, Cat wasn’t happy with the aftercoolers. In the 2001 dealer video conference a Cat rep confides to a dealer, “It’s our intent by the time we are done by the program that we will have every engine in the field with a suitable robust design to be able to allow that aftercooler to live like it’s supposed to live.” Were the design changes quality improvements, or were they initiated because the aftercoolers did not live like they were supposed to live? The latter would imply that the aftercoolers were, in fact, defective. Most design changes implemented were to the core mounting hardware, rather than to the actual core itself. In a company memorandum to Caterpillar, Modine representatives warned that such changes to the containment unit might exacerbate the problem by creating “a negative effect with respect to vibration and would induce stress.” Band–aids and bubble gum are not a permanent cure. They only serve as a temporary fix. After ten years of band-aids and bubble gum, aftercoolers on 3196 and C12 engines still have not been validated by the manufacturer. Even the “latest and greatest” aftercooler version continues to fail in the field causing catastrophic engine failure.

Cats’ pompous and arrogant attorneys “deny that any substantial number of 3176B, 3176C, 3196, C-12, or C 12 marine engines contain defects, known or unknown, related to their aftercoolers.” Despite the problematic history of 3196 engines, a 2007 Caterpillar advertisement had this to say about the 3196 - “Imagine the ideal engine for 40-60 foot (12-18m) commercial craft; reliable with a proven marine track record.” Apparently, Caterpillar executives consider a “fifty percent core failure rate by two thousand hours” and “eighty – ninety percent failure rate on four thousand engines in the field” - a “reliable and proven marine track record.” On November 09, 2007 Cats’ attorneys offered the following explanation to the court concerning 3196 engine failures. “It is appropriate here to recall that thousands of engines falling within the class description are in use every day in harsh marine environments. It is likely that from time to time one of them will develop some sort of aftercooler-related problem.” Again, there were four thousand one hundred and seven aftercooler failures reported of four thousand six hundred and three 3196 engines in the stream of commerce. I may be a little rusty at math, but my calculations indicate a failure rate of slightly more than eighty-nine percent. I wouldn’t exactly describe the situation as “from time to time one of them will develop a problem.”

In my mind at least, this class-action is more than a simple product defect lawsuit. Cats' actions stink of corporate greed, product misrepresentation, and consumer fraud. In Caterpillars’ corporate mission statement the company prides itself with superlatives such as “integrity”, and “the highest standard of ethical behavior.” The company states, “We align our actions with our words and deliver what we promise.” Customer satisfaction, customer support, product service, reliability, integrity and commitment, are high standards for a company in the business of selling lemons.

Defendant Caterpillars’ attorneys are quick to paint a different picture. They claim Cat has stepped up to the plate time and again for its customers, bent over backwards, or “went substantially beyond its obligations to satisfy its customers concerns.” Cat hasn’t stepped up to the plate. Instead, Cats’ attorneys postponed trial scheduled for October 08, 2008 until January 2009. Perhaps four and a half years of deliberations wasn’t enough time for Cats’ expensive legal team to prepare for trial. Cat can run but it can’t hide. Eventually, the long arm of Michigan federal court will reach out, grasp Cat by the tail, and put an end to its silly “cat and mouse” game. Meanwhile, thousands of otherwise loyal and trusting Caterpillar customers wait patiently on the sidelines for the frustration and nightmare of Caterpillar ownership to end.

Some might dismiss this class-action as an attempt by the class representative or his/our legal team to pad their pockets. This is far from the truth. During the past several years, I have heard from 3196 and C12 engine owners across the country and throughout the world that have been forced to make financial sacrifices due to ongoing engine failures. This includes marine and non-marine engine owners, individuals and corporate entities, and government agencies. Many engine owners, like me, depend upon their engines for their livelihood. As a commercial fisherman, I was sidelined three times during a four year period because of my defective Caterpillar engine. Caterpillar owners deserve better.

This January, class members are looking to the Michigan federal court for a proper and timely resolution to our long standing engine issues. Thank you Class Representative Jim Jaikins for your passion and devotion to this concern, for the thousands of personal hours and thousands of dollars you have invested, for stepping up to the plate on behalf of class members, for taking charge, and for doing the right thing when others refused.

Individuals desiring more information about the class-action can visit my website: http://www.catdefect.com-a.googlepages.com/home

I will try to keep my site updated if and when new information becomes available. Storm

[Big Fish Billy]

And they have something similar going on with the 3208s, I had a friend with one on a Duddy, it overheated and warped the head and blew the head gasket every Summer as long as he owned it......

[Younger]

C7's are just as bad. Complete junk. No more cats for me.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Younger

C7's are just as bad. Complete junk. No more cats for me.

Tell me about it. Problematic 3116's, 3126's with soft blocks, 3176's with aluminum spacers between the head and block, 3196's with piston skirt issues, broken motor mounts, cylinder head problems, defective aftercoolers, vibration that shears mounting bolts off the belt guards to the point where Cat discontinued installing belt guards. Even the so-called bullet proof 3406's have had their share of problems. The list goes on and on.................

[Big Fish Billy]

Hate to admit it, but I have 454s in my Jersey, never had a problem, and gas is cheaper than diesel for now......

[Younger]

Originally Posted by Storm

Even the so-called bullet proof 3406's have had their share of problems. The list goes on and on.................

We have had cracked heads on 3406's. They aren't great either....far from bulletproof.....

[Storm]

Sorry to see this post hasn't gone much further. It's frigid here in Maine, and I like to keep the heat on - so to speak.
Storm

[Deep C]

This subject has been beat to death on every forum on the water....

None of the motor manufacturers seem to care. We had a nightmare with volvo years back. They wound up replacing our engines with two that grenaded at only 500 hours! Another friend with volvo has been three years without satisfaction on his pair of diesels. Our own Admin had an ugly ride with Mercury Verados... Its industry wide.
Cat was the cause of a vibration in a 61' Viking I ran for a while. They Blamed tranny maker, mount maker, boat maker... I was aboard for the cut out tests and could plainly see it was one cylinder causing the issue. They fought tooth and nail not to fix for months. Finally every big shot from all the companies were aboard. They interviewed me as to what steps had been taken to determine the cause of the vibration...
I told them what I had seen. Then went on to tell them that I was impressed to see all the marine industries top brass all in one place. Then pointed out that not one of them had a wrench in their hand and I didn't give a shit who fixed it as long as it got done. A new injector the next day got it fixed...

Just gotta squeak... Squeak loud and keep on squeaking...

[JUST RELEASED 34]

Wow...thats sucks...I just looked at a 43 Jarrett Bay express with 3196 cats....and after reading all the negative press, I would not even think of offering on it.....I told the broker about it and they laugh and say all is good.....funny how most with no money involved try to sell those that do.....

No 3196 cats for me....I will just keep my Yamahas for now

[Russell A. Jost]

I have a pair of the C-12's in my boat. There have been a few minor issues. I have their platium 5 year warrantee and any and all issues where quickly and professionally handled. I can't say enough good things about the service I have gotten.
When this is finally settled we will Know weather or not this has been a major service to the public or a major disservice.