Bush Admits, AGAIN, To War Crimes

[longfisher]

In his soon-to-be-released memoirs, Bush explicitly admits to personally ordering the waterbording of detainees.

He's so brazen about it that it's clear he does not fear prosecution.

At present, it's difficult to see how he might be prosecuted due to politics. But politics change, as we've seen repeatedly in the last three election cycles.

One thing is for certain, however. His brazen crowing about torturing people, breaking domestic law, breaking international law and violating treaties and the Geneva Convention establishes for every objective person that the elites in this country are not subject to our laws. Only those who are not elites are.

Do you need an more forceful wakeup call than that?

LF

[hubris 1]

I say they needed a bath anyway. A little waterboarding never was meant to hurt them. I think this was worse torture for americans.

[longfisher]

I say they needed a bath anyway. A little waterboarding never was meant to hurt them. I think this was worse torture for americans.

...use one crime to justify another. It's an old cannard (false belief), H as it tends in both the short and long run to downward-spirally degrade the rule of law overall.

What's all of this about the rule of law I keep preaching about. Well, the rule of law is the codification of American norms and beliefs. In it's purest form, the law is the very essence of being American. To violate it is to violate America itself.

Well, that's a pretty sweeping statment, huh? And, it's subject to lots of interpretation as often I feel your America is very different from the one I belive in.

So, let me dispense with amorphous terms and explain to you again what the genius of America is...that even the common man is treated fairly and also has a chance at all the riches and freedoms the wealthy might attain. The genius of that idea is quickly subverted when an elite class free of meangful accountability under the law is allowed to exist in America.

Didn't it enrage you to see O.J Simpson get off when he hired expensive lawyers? Didn't it enrage you to see the bankers get off with a bail out? Didn't it enrage you to see Clinton get away with obstruction of justice? With the cavalier way you treat the rule of law I'm just not sure you were enraged. The way you'd apply to rule of law makes it "context specific"...something decidedly repellant to the essence of Amerca.

All of these certainly did enrage me, to the Nth degree. Add G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney's lies and illegal wars and torture and the quashing of the right to habeus corpus to this list, the most tyranny-inspiring administration in my lifetime, as it also enrages me.

You and I simply have a disagreement about the rule of law, H, and the central role it plays in keeping us free. You believe in it when it's convenient to do so, particularly when the results of successful prosecutions would suit your political views. I believe that it's application must be ever-present and applied uniformly because to not do so can turn the republic into any number of much less desireable forms of government.

With respect to the rule of law, you and I believe in very, very different Americas, my version if quite akin to that of the founders, yours is some politically and financially corrupted version that is virtually unrecognizable as American-inspired.

LF

[hubris 1]

Law is convenience. Get used to it.

[seapower]

He ever does go to court, I'll gladly contribute to his defense. Not just through my tax payer's dollar's, but from my private stash as well.I know I'm showing my ignorance, but it is what it is. Frank

[longfisher]

He ever does go to court, I'll gladly contribute to his defense. Not just through my tax payer's dollar's, but from my private stash as well.I know I'm showing my ignorance, but it is what it is. Frank

so, out of reverence, I'm not going to debate with you about Iraq.

LF

[Matuka Fly]

Longfisher

I would like to try waterboarding out on some one to see the effects for my self. Any one want to volenteer, How about you LF.

I heard some college dorms used this in games.

[bigeasy]

had a responsibility to protect the country. This involved getting information concerning impending attacks.

What would you do?

Personally I support the President.

[longfisher]

Longfisher

I would like to try waterboarding out on some one to see the effects for my self. Any one want to volenteer, How about you LF.

I heard some college dorms used this in games.

If she shares your philosophy then she would happily volunteer. Then let me know if she believes it's torture.

LongFisher

[longfisher]

had a responsibility to protect the country. This involved getting information concerning impending attacks.

What would you do?

Personally I support the President.

I would never break the law...period...were I a Democrat, a Republican, a Libertarian, etc. and no matter what the "crisis" was. I revere the laws. They're there for a very good reason.

At this very moment, Bush's criminality and Obama's inaction have institutionalized the concept that ANYONE INCLUDING AMERICAN CITIZENS can be detained without charge on mere suspicions, detained indefinitely, abused and tortured and even killed without the slightest involvement of the courts. In the current environment the Consitution and the Bill of Rights it contains mean absolutely nothing.

If tyranny is what you wanted, most Americans didn't, it's tyranny that you got...simply because you kept your mouths shut and let them get away with it. YOU PERSONALLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS STATE OF AFFAIRS AS YOU DID NOTHING THEN AND YOU SUPPORT EXECUTIVE BRANCH CRIMINALITY TODAY.

And you call yourselves patriots. NO F**KING WAY YOU'RE PATRIOTS. You're actually traitors to America.

LF