ATHEISTS

[don'thaveaboat]

You arent the only one with medical relatives, son. call your cousin if it will help you sleep at night. And you didnt answer my question with an intelligent answer, so I ask you again: how exactly do you know Q.M. wasnt brought up as an blanket to cover up and take credit for God's work? were you present at the creation, or were you present when Q.M. was thought of? Nope. Just like you said previously, nobody knows everything. So who are we to question something obviously higher than our own existence? To do so, I believe, is arrogant and fruitless.

Do you know what .Q.M is really? Why would god do that and send atheists to hell?


I know most people do.

[Cardinal Joe]

Ok, my two cent ! " Life is Good " the End ! PS > is this a 12 year old future " Hubris " ??????????? Cardinal Joe

[floridadeckie]

quantum mechanics is branch of physics which tries to explain phenomena that we cant explain with tactile feeling or sight. basically it tries to explain the unseen with that we THINK happens, based on what we've learned. Basically an attempt to bring light to things we have a very limited understanding of. SOMETHING had to set the things we study in motion. No matter how much you want to quantify it or place a numerical value to it, something else still had to set that thing in motion. Whether you believe that something is of a higher being/existence, or you believe shit just happened, SOMETHING had to happen to set things in motion

If you dont believe in God or miracles or anything of that nature, thats perfectly fine. Thats what makes this country great. Once you get older, you'll be more open minded and not take an ancient text in literal terms

[brad regan 01]

this is getting a little ridiculous. let the guy believe what he wants to..... its like debating politics here....this thread will go on forever.

[Reel Fanatic]

don'thavaboat-

Sorry buddy but not only do you not have a boat, you also don't have a clue...yet. Don't confuse book smarts or wealth as a benchmark for divine intelligence. You have named but a few people to base your argument on one of the oldest questions in history. Many of the people you named are mental lightweights to begin with. There are multitudes of great leaders and thinkers who would adamently differ with the atheist viewpoint. Ronald Reagan-arguably the greatest President of our lifetime- was a devoutly religious and spiritual person. Carl Sagan, a famous astronomer, once said "Science would climb to the top of the mountain of knowledge to learn the nature of our existence and then theologians would lift them higher."

It is true that religions are a creation of man but that doesn't preclude the existence of a divine power or being. In fact, if you study most of the world's religions, there is a strange parallel throughout eventhough there was a lack of social influence across land masses during the time of their formation. Through the centuries, different individuals have had different ways in which they would choose to worship and/ or thought that worship should be conducted. This is what gave birth to the different denominations and churches. All religions have been affected by or fallen victim to socio-political influences at some point in their existence. These influences have shaped and, at times, distorted the vision and intent of the church. And, whether we like it or not, that's just the way it is and people ain't perfect and never will be.

There has been evil in this world since the earliest days of our existence. Nothing has changed other than the way people can destroy each other much more effectively now and we can all watch it in our livingrooms in high def surround sound.

In WWII, Hitler needed a scapegoat to begin the war so he could pull Germany out of a depression that had been festering long after WWI. If there had been an absence of religion, he would have just chosen a different victim to rally his people against. Keep in mind, Hitler didn't pick the Jews because he thought their religion was inferior to his, Hitler was an atheist. Most dictators and authoritarian leaders tend to be non-spiritual because they want their people to view them as the source of power and authority. The crusades were started because the muslims were on a westward march conquering nations in the name of Allah. Muhammed, the father of Islam, was nothing more than a warlord pretending to be a prophet in order to rally his people to action. Yes, I am accusing muslims of worshipping a false religion. They are the world's oldest cult. If a religious group were to form today that held the exact same beliefs as muslims and were as largely intollerant as they are, Obama would be sending in the National Guard to bust it up.

All of the people that you have named as potential authorities on the subject of the existence of God (or not) are no more qualified to say definitively for or against His existence than you or myself. Most of the world's organised religions accept that God allows mankind freewill in order to self detemine their own outcome. Life in and of itself then becomes one long test and we're given a certain number of days and years to get it right. How you live your life and how you treat other people are only part of it.

There is so much that we don't understand in terms of our existence in this universe and how it came to be the way that it is. No person can say with any degree of tangible certainty that they have concrete and current proof one way or the other. If you want to walk out your door every morning and look out at the world and say "Yep, this is all one big freakin' accident" or "Holy crap, there is no way this wasn't part of a great big plan" is entirely up to you. At the ripe old age of 12 don't be so quick to make up your mind. When you are wanting to experiment with life, it's a whole lot easier to run wild if you can tell yourself convincingly that their is no omnipotent God that will judge your actions.

Also, when you scrutinize religions, and look at all their warts and blemishes, be just as discerning with atheism. Ask the hard questions of each viewpoint. If you do, you will find that the atheist can no more argue their opinion with factual certainty than someone of faith can. The biggest difference with spiritual people is that they have their faith and a daily user manual for life (their scriptures) that is just as relevant today as it was over 2000 years ago. Atheists have "things" and those things only bring them temporary comfort but often leave them feeling empty and angry. If it makes any difference, the majority of atheists pray their butts off when their time comes to leave this world. Food for thought...

Now go do the right thing for yourself and get good information from a variety of sources and not just You Tube. That's like going to Wikipedia as the ultimate factual source on something.

[brad regan 01]

well said ^^^

[don'thaveaboat]

don'thavaboat-

Sorry buddy but not only do you not have a boat, you also don't have a clue...yet. Don't confuse book smarts or wealth as a benchmark for divine intelligence. You have named but a few people to base your argument on one of the oldest questions in history. Many of the people you named are mental lightweights to begin with. There are multitudes of great leaders and thinkers who would adamently differ with the atheist viewpoint. Ronald Reagan-arguably the greatest President of our lifetime- was a devoutly religious and spiritual person. Carl Sagan, a famous astronomer, once said "Science would climb to the top of the mountain of knowledge to learn the nature of our existence and then theologians would lift them higher."

It is true that religions are a creation of man but that doesn't preclude the existence of a divine power or being. In fact, if you study most of the world's religions, there is a strange parallel throughout eventhough there was a lack of social influence across land massesduring the time of their formation. Through the centuries, different individuals have had different ways in which they would choose to worship and/ or thought that worship should be conducted. This is what gave birth to the different denominations and churches. All religions have been affected by or fallen victim to socio-political influences at some point in their existence. These influences have shaped and, at times, distorted the vision and intent of the church. And, whether we like it or not, that's just the way it is and people ain't perfect and never will be.

There has been evil in this world since the earliest days of our existence. Nothing has changed other than the way people can destroy each other much more effectively now and we can all watch it in our livingrooms in high def surround sound.

In WWII, Hitler needed a scapegoat to begin the war so he could pull Germany out of a depression that had been festering long after WWI. If there had been an absence of religion, he would have just chosen a different victim to rally his people against. Keep in mind, Hitler didn't pick the Jews because he thought their religion was inferior to his, Hitler was an atheist. Most dictators and authoritarian leaders tend to be non-spiritual because they want their people to view them as the source of power and authority. The crusades were started because the muslims were on a westward march conquering nations in the name of Allah. Muhammed, the father of Islam, was nothing more than a warlord pretending to be a prophet in order to rally his people to action. Yes, I am accusing muslims of worshipping a false religion. They are the world's oldest cult. If a religious group were to form today that held the exact same beliefs as muslims and were as largely intollerant as they are, Obama would be sending in the National Guard to bust it up.

All of the people that you have named as potential authorities on the subject of the existence of God (or not) are no more qualified to say definitively for or against His existence than you or myself. Most of the world's organised religions accept that God allows mankind freewill in order to self detemine their own outcome. Life in and of itself then becomes one long test and we're given a certain number of days and years to get it right. How you live your life and how you treat other people are only part of it.

There is so much that we don't understand in terms of our existence in this universe and how it came to be the way that it is. No person can say with any degree of tangible certainty that they have concrete and current proof one way or the other. If you want to walk out your door every morning and look out at the world and say "Yep, this is all one big freakin' accident" or "Holy crap, there is no way this wasn't part of a great big plan" is entirely up to you. At the ripe old age of 12 don't be so quick to make up your mind. When you are wanting to experiment with life, it's a whole lot easier to run wild if you can tell yourself convincingly that their is no omnipotent God that will judge your actions.

Also, when you scrutinize religions, and look at all their warts and blemishes, be just as discerning with atheism. Ask the hard questions of each viewpoint. If you do, you will find that the atheist can no more argue their opinion with factual certainty than someone of faith can. The biggest difference with spiritual people is that they have their faith and a daily user manual for life (their scriptures) that is just as relevant today as it was over 2000 years ago. Atheists have "things" and those things only bring them temporary comfort but often leave them feeling empty and angry. If it makes any difference, the majority of atheists pray their butts off when their time comes to leave this world. Food for thought...

Now go do the right thing for yourself and get good information from a variety of sources and not just You Tube. That's like going to Wikipedia as the ultimate factual source on something.

First off I want to clear something up I found that video from a link from another site and I almost never surf youtube for anything aside from music. And what do you know what was going on in hitlers mind you don't. I have bin getting info for a long time and I have always bin a atheist and my parents are not atheists my but it is in my blood.

[joeksr]

Do ourself a favor.
If you want to have any credibility, stop quoting rock stars.
Get in the real world kid.
Would you explain creation to me?

Ya think John lennon did it?

[don'thaveaboat]

Do ourself a favor.
If you want to have any credibility, stop quoting rock stars.
Get in the real world kid.
Would you explain creation to me?

Ya think John lennon did it?

I don't think that only girls born from
1945-1959.

[Reel Fanatic]

Hitler is an extremely well studied person in history and much is known of the man so let's don't waste time arguing about something that is well known and documented. Hitler had attempted to abolish Christian churches in Germany just so he could replace them with his own version called "Perfect Christianity" where Jesus was a Nordic, fair skinned, fair haired man who spent his life fighting the Jews as opposed to having been born a Jew. Hitler's Nazi based faith model involved co-opting the churches by playing to their faith in the early years in order to attain his power and then crushing them once he was in power.

I don't expect you to have any historical perspective at 12 and, in addition, you haven't been in this world long enough to have a wealth of personal experiences yet, one way or the other. Try to stay open minded-even if it ain't cool. When I was your age, I used to think my dad was the biggest idiot and had no clue to anything. The older I got, the more I realized that I was the one without a clue. One can fill their heart and head with book smarts but that doesn't necessarily make them intelligent. If you fill your car's fuel tank up with saltwater, the tank is full but you aren't going to be going on any road trips anytime soon- a little analogy there for you.

The bible is not just a book of holy scriptures, it is also a book that contains many small books offers a great deal of history and hystorical perspective. With that being the case, there is the human component and historical component in the bible that has to be taken into consideration. Many times when anti-Christians and atheists pull verses from the bible, they deliberately use inflamatory verses like the one you have in your posts ("vile and useless"). During the period in which the books of the bible were authored, there was a great deal of persecution against people who worshipped anyone or anything other than their divinely appointed ruler and the government approved version of religion. Therefore, if you were a Christian, life pretty much sucked and you kept much of your faith under wraps or bad things would happen to you. With the godless nature of the Roman Empire (remember they had a different god for every aspect of the natural world), they treated Christians with contempt. They beat, tortured, imprisoned, and executed followers of Christ. Therefore, it is completely understandable that statements which sound contradictory to you, in today's terms, would have been made.

A person of faith looks at verses like that in the bible as a testament of the open honesty of the scriptures. They look at the way Christ lived his life and then compare that to the way mankind always falls short of his goal. When you don't have a goal or benchmark in life, nothing else really matters.

One other observation that you may want to take note of when hanging with an atheist crowd is how they oftent times refer to people of faith in hateful, demeaning terms. They expend a great deal of time and energy brow beating someone who does not share their atheist point of view. As someone who is spiritual, my perspective is to live my life the way my God tells me I should and be an example. If by doing that, I am able to help someone in their journey, then I am doing what I'm supposed to do. One last little tidbit of information for you and then I'm going to bed...Some of the most devout people of faith that you will ever meet are people who have spent their entire lives looking for an "easy" answer to life through science. The harder they searched, the more it would lead them back to the beginning.

Atheism may or may not be "in your blood"- only you can decide that. My guess is you have a butt load of questions, not enough answers to satisfy your thirst for knowledge, and a lot of frustation as a result. That's perfectly normal to have so many questions at your age. Just remember as you take this journey, don't be so quick to fill the void with an "absolute" like atheism. Atheism isn't an "end" in terms of getting all of the answers and neither is religion. The only certainty that either of us will have will come when we die. The curtain is either going to fade to black or there is going to be a whole lot of light- either bright white or burning red.