American Solutions Petition

Bert Rodgers · 07-02-2008, 05:38 PM

Read it Sign it and listen to Newt.

http://www.americansolutions.com/

Bert

Glenn W · 07-02-2008, 06:43 PM

Will someone is favor of this political feel good red herring please answer two most basic questions (from a credible source)?

(1) assuming the U.S. opened ANWR, every Federal land, and offshore area, what impact would this have on oil and natural gas prices in the U.S. and what time frame are we talking about?

(2) what is a realistic U.S. percentage reduction in oil imports.

No politics, no flag waving, no environmental tree hugging---- just two basic core questions?

clt_capt · 07-02-2008, 07:14 PM

Good points Glenn.

The Saudis agreed to make 800,000 more barrels of oil available per day - and the price still continues to climb...

Bert Rodgers · 07-03-2008, 07:37 AM

I don't believe it's a red herring, ( isn't the use of that term getting pollitical Glenn?). What it is is a start. No it won't immediately flood the markets with cheap oil. But it is about the American people saying to Washington enough already.

Real quick, name one politician that has proposed a realistic ,long term solution. You can't because not 1 has the balls. The resources are there, the technology to get them cleanly and safely is there. Inertia and political pandering to the Greenies is the ONLY reason nothing is getting done.

Ney sayers tell you " But it will take years" I say every year we wait the further in the hole we go. Also keep in mind that both sides will use hyperbole in their argument. So if the yeahs say 2 years and the naysayers say 6, 4 is realistic.If the current Administration had pushed this in Sept. 2001, they could have passed it easily in 02 and the oil would have been flowing for 2 years now. ( Plus we might have some nifty riggs to fish along the shelf.)

And Glenn, it does go way beyond partisan politics, since neither party can claim to have done right by us we can collectively proclaim our contempt.

Bert

Glenn W · 07-03-2008, 08:39 AM

Bert, as is usually the case I agree with most everything you say. I pose these policy questions on this board because so many here are so wed to so called right-wing politics and they don't stop to think why--- more important, many people don't care to know why or what reality is--- other than a stand for partisan policies---- the same is true for left wingers, but not much of a voice here.
You hit the nail on the head buddy, my opinion is that whether we do or don't open closed fossil fuel is frankly, not going to have any impact on prices or the economy-- which is based on the consensus of the experts in this area. However, this is not the root or solution but rather only an easy political platform ( and yea, a red herring on both sides) to continue with the status quo of doing nothing of substance.
This being said, consider the U.S. DOE annual budget of $25 billion. What in the hell do these guys do with all that money? Less than $1 billion is spent on nuclear safety and storage ( a needed function), but what are the rest of the funds used for? This Department has been nothing but a joke since it was created under Carter-- and is an example of beaurocracy at it's finest.
The solution to the short term oil price problem is not opening up our protected wilderness for a few drops, nor is the solution wildfall profits taxes, or the continuation of ridiculous tax credits. The answer and solution lies in the finacial markets. I may not know exactly how to do it, but I do know this is where the short term answer lies and there are pleanty of smart cookies out there that know the ins and outs of these markets------ yes, I am refering to that nasty word that right wingers hate to hear---- REGULATION--- not of the oil companies per se, but rather that of financial speculative instruments that have only come into vogue (and invented) in the last 25 years. IMO, objective regulation in this area is very unlikely given the special interests of those currently extorting our society.
There is not a politiition with the balls and clout to place focus on this complicated issue. We may hear lame rhetoric of speculators, but no one we elect is willing to stick their necks out and go to bat against. I understand significant coordination with other Western countries financial trading policies as well, and I may be wrong, but am willing to bet that a US/ GB coilition in itself is enough to get this mess under control.

Damn, this is boring--- but not as much as the train ride I'm currently on to DC.

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07-02-2008, 06:43 PM	#2
Glenn W Motor Mouth Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 4,134 Occupation: Moonbat	Will someone is favor of this political feel good red herring please answer two most basic questions (from a credible source)? (1) assuming the U.S. opened ANWR, every Federal land, and offshore area, what impact would this have on oil and natural gas prices in the U.S. and what time frame are we talking about? (2) what is a realistic U.S. percentage reduction in oil imports. No politics, no flag waving, no environmental tree hugging---- just two basic core questions?

07-02-2008, 07:14 PM	#3
clt_capt If Ignorance is bliss, Why aren't more people happy? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Raleigh, MHC Posts: 6,757 Boat: Luhrs 36 Home Port: MHC Occupation: Supporting my Tackle habit	Good points Glenn. The Saudis agreed to make 800,000 more barrels of oil available per day - and the price still continues to climb...

07-03-2008, 07:37 AM	#4
Bert Rodgers I think Admin is going to let me have this space Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Phoenix MD Posts: 2,691 Home Port: OCMD	I don't believe it's a red herring, ( isn't the use of that term getting pollitical Glenn?). What it is is a start. No it won't immediately flood the markets with cheap oil. But it is about the American people saying to Washington enough already. Real quick, name one politician that has proposed a realistic ,long term solution. You can't because not 1 has the balls. The resources are there, the technology to get them cleanly and safely is there. Inertia and political pandering to the Greenies is the ONLY reason nothing is getting done. Ney sayers tell you " But it will take years" I say every year we wait the further in the hole we go. Also keep in mind that both sides will use hyperbole in their argument. So if the yeahs say 2 years and the naysayers say 6, 4 is realistic.If the current Administration had pushed this in Sept. 2001, they could have passed it easily in 02 and the oil would have been flowing for 2 years now. ( Plus we might have some nifty riggs to fish along the shelf.) And Glenn, it does go way beyond partisan politics, since neither party can claim to have done right by us we can collectively proclaim our contempt. Bert

07-03-2008, 08:39 AM	#5
Glenn W Motor Mouth Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 4,134 Occupation: Moonbat	Bert, as is usually the case I agree with most everything you say. I pose these policy questions on this board because so many here are so wed to so called right-wing politics and they don't stop to think why--- more important, many people don't care to know why or what reality is--- other than a stand for partisan policies---- the same is true for left wingers, but not much of a voice here. You hit the nail on the head buddy, my opinion is that whether we do or don't open closed fossil fuel is frankly, not going to have any impact on prices or the economy-- which is based on the consensus of the experts in this area. However, this is not the root or solution but rather only an easy political platform ( and yea, a red herring on both sides) to continue with the status quo of doing nothing of substance. This being said, consider the U.S. DOE annual budget of $25 billion. What in the hell do these guys do with all that money? Less than $1 billion is spent on nuclear safety and storage ( a needed function), but what are the rest of the funds used for? This Department has been nothing but a joke since it was created under Carter-- and is an example of beaurocracy at it's finest. The solution to the short term oil price problem is not opening up our protected wilderness for a few drops, nor is the solution wildfall profits taxes, or the continuation of ridiculous tax credits. The answer and solution lies in the finacial markets. I may not know exactly how to do it, but I do know this is where the short term answer lies and there are pleanty of smart cookies out there that know the ins and outs of these markets------ yes, I am refering to that nasty word that right wingers hate to hear---- REGULATION--- not of the oil companies per se, but rather that of financial speculative instruments that have only come into vogue (and invented) in the last 25 years. IMO, objective regulation in this area is very unlikely given the special interests of those currently extorting our society. There is not a politiition with the balls and clout to place focus on this complicated issue. We may hear lame rhetoric of speculators, but no one we elect is willing to stick their necks out and go to bat against. I understand significant coordination with other Western countries financial trading policies as well, and I may be wrong, but am willing to bet that a US/ GB coilition in itself is enough to get this mess under control. Damn, this is boring--- but not as much as the train ride I'm currently on to DC.