219 VS. 212.....sad day for America

[Reel Fanatic]

I am so sick and tired of people on the left saying that Republican's don't have a plan or never had a plan. The fact of the matter is that Republican's have addressed this issue many times and the leftist Democrat Socialists don't want any part of any solution that doesn't shift more power and money to government and include punitive legislation against insurance companies- there always has to be a whipping boy. For God's sake people, do you blame the cashier at the grocery store for the cost of your groceries? It's the same damn thing. Insurance is a business that has to make a profit in order to provide the benefits that it is contractually obligated to provide to it's policy holders. Forgive them for trying to be prudent with your premium dollars. I would much rather negotiate with a company that I can ultimately fire versus a government beaurocrat that doesn't give a shit whether you live or die and can take everything you have if you don't comply with their demands. Furthermore, insurance companies have to (by law) act responsibly with your money. They are not only accountable to their policy holders, they are accountable to their state and federal governments and also their investors. Government agencies are not accountable to anyone and we are not allowed to look into their books. Whatever report they might provide to other agencies may be available under the freedom of information act but that's it.

Unfortunately, the cost of healthcare isn't as simple as liberals would have us think. Their solution is primarily choke off the insurance industry and then the government will ultimately get all of the money. The cost of insurance is a symptom and not the illness.

1) When you have indigents using the ER as if it were the local clinic, you have a costly problem.

2) When the hospital's ER is reimbursed at a net loss by Medicaid for those patients getting treated for a stubbed toe or head cold, you have a costly problem.

3) When family physicians and dentists can't take patients on Medicaid because they can't absorb the loss, you have a costly problem.

4) When you have exorbitant waiting periods for approved procedures from the VA and Medicaid, you have a costly problem.

5) When physicians shell out a significant portion of their earnings in medical malpractice just to protect themselves from the "Johnny Edwards" type lawyers who will fabricate something from nothing, you have a costly problem.

6) When you have ne'r do wells who understand that there are plenty of Johnny Edwards type lawyers who will take their case win/ lose/ or draw, you have a costly problem.

7) When our emergency rooms and hospitals have to treat uninsured and/ or illegals who don't have an ability to pay for that treatment with the same level of care as someone with good insurance, we have a costly problem.

8) State of the art medicine is expensive to begin with. I think most people seeking care want the best that money can buy and would prefer not to go backwards in quality of treatment. Unfortunately, too many people want to have someone else pay for their treatment rather than assume any degree of personal responsibility...in any facet of their life.

Now all of these above listed problems exist as we speak. You only hear the liberals blaming the insurance companies for the healthcare crisis and yet it appears to me that the government and tort lawyers seem to be of equal or greater responsibility. The reason our premium dollars are as high as they are is so the physicians and hospitals can recoup the losses incurred from the government making healthcare access or reimbursement too difficult. They are also as high as they are because doctors have to cover their collective asses from the people looking to make a quick buck on someone who they deem is able to afford to shell out big bucks for their over-inflated issues.

Now the Republican solution short and sweet (original date of June, 2009, revised Oct, 2009) are below with a link to a more in depth discussion of these solutions included.

“We first released our health care plan in June, and over the last six months, we have introduced at least eight bills that, taken together, would implement this blueprint. You can go right now to healthcare.gop.gov and get all the details, but for now, I just want to share with you four ideas Republicans have proposed:

· Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines;

· Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do today;

· Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.

· Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

“These are four smart, fiscally-responsible reforms that we can implement today to lower costs and expand access at a price our nation can afford. Again, you can learn more about these and all the health care initiatives Republicans have supported by visiting healthcare.gop.gov.

Please change the argument from "Republicans didn't do anything" to "Money greedy liberals didn't like any Republican solutions to healthcare because their ideas didn't demonize an entire industry and drag the rest of the country further down the road of socialism".

[clt_capt]

Has anyone knocking or defending the health bill actually had the ability to read any or the whole thing ?

Did anyone who voted for the bill actually read the whole thing? California Witch has already admitted that she didn't read the whole thing...

[worldcat lemon]

For those of you who don't know, a form of socialized health care was tried in Hawaii for the natives, the under priveledged, the homeless, the drug abusers, those at the poverty level, low income families etc... and 7 months after the program started it was completely BANKRUPT!!!!

WE ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THE TRAGEDY! I have friends who practice in Canada and every single one of them stay out of the system because it does not work, and now we have adopted the same broken wheel, a wheel which nobody has read the entire manual on but voted to pass it. Who in their right mind can honestly believe this story has a happy ending when nobody read the book to the end? Jabba the hut might have ended up in a strange relationship with Luke Skywalker but nobody knows cuz the last pages were never read.

We are ALL screwed, Liberals, Dems, Republicans, Independents, Greeners, Tree-huggers, Owl Lovers, Satanists, Christians, Volvo owners, Ford lovers, mexican illegals, and even the prisoners locked up are all going to get a good soaped up shower spanking with this new socialistic program. Mark my words, just look at all the foreigners who used to come to America for good care. I guess by making a socialized system we deter foreigners from coming to America. Maybe this is how Obama is going to stop illegal aliens from coming to America. Forget having guts and building a wall, just build a medical prison and fence in the Americans so nobody in their right mind would want to come here.

Lastly, Socialized medicine promotes health care " Mediocrity". A free economy pushes doctors to excel, but capped income, excess taxes, government intrusion always results in mediocrity. Look at Canada

[Big Fish Billy]

And so I guess the Dems are hoping that by the Fall we all learn to "like the bill," or so the news went tonight...which I guess means the chest beating for the more palatable parts of the bill, as previously mentioned above here will begin and go all Summer, and then the logistics will settle in after the election....

[hubris 1]

This country and the democrats .........and republicans have spent the last 50 years telling 10% of the population [30 million] that we care about them and were here to help. It hasnt helped yet and stupid is just stupid. Arguing facts has become stupid for me. This is what I know anymore.
1. Have an abortion, I dont care. your kid if hes half as ugly as you doesnt have a chance anyway.
2. I paid alot of money for my girlfriends Mink....please dont throw red paint on it. If we can kill babies, we can kill Mink.
3. The effects of joe bidens brain tumor......shows.
4. last african that ran a country I remember, what was his name? Oh yea, idi amin.
5. debating facts becomes irrelevant......anymore.
6. I think the perfect summer job for college students is to go to a third world country that they want to save, and be taken Hostage. That should be a requirement of graduation.
7.If a cat always lands on his feet, and buttered bread always lands butter side down, what happens if we butter a cats back? Moral of the story......For those that can, their is always a loop hole. Its the American way. Practice this when you stand on the first golf tee......ask yourself, I wonder what all the poor people are doing? Answer..........who cares.
Not being arrogant, just jaded. When I turn 62 Im going to quit, collect social security, and spend it on pot, and be a drain on the generation that thinks they can help everyone. Some are just plain hopeless. I hope to join the hopeless crowd. I never smoked it when I was young but if I dont like it maybe Ill just find a young intern I can put a cigar in.........No one seemed to care about that before.

[Hatterized]

an excerpt Page 158 of the health care bill appears to create a carveout for senior staff members in the leadership offices and on congressional committees, essentially exempting those senior Democrat staffers who wrote the bill, from being forced to purchase health care plans in the same way as other Americans from page HR Bill page 158........



imagine......they are exempt from what they created.....guess not good enough for them....but okay for We The People......