Anyone ever use these broad heads? I have been looking for a head that shoots well, and found these new for $15... I see retail is $30...
I bought and tried them out, and they fly straighter than my field points, but two things I am concerned with, small cutting area and if they are fragile in hunting conditions...
They look rugged as hell, but I prefer to get real world experience.
edited to add... I mispelled the name.... NITROs. Made by New Archery Products.
Do you mean Nitron; well anyway I have used that broadhead in Alberta on blackbear, had a complete pass thru, had blood and hair on the shaft but, no blood trail, also, killed a whitetail and when I checked the shaft I had a broken broadhead lost two blades, found the deer but not by following a blood trail. Bottom line, cutting diameter much too small, which means little to no blood trail.
The advantages are too many to write here but I'll give you a link where they talk about a LOT of aspects of this head- just another brand called the Grizzly 190 grain.
go to tradgang.com, go to forums, look for the Dr Ed Ashby reports, grab a cup of coffee and start reading - its a LOT of material but you will learn more about what the truth is in regards to penetration, broadhead and arrow design, and physics, not whjat people and manufacturer claims are. This is from a very respected person who actually spent 10 + years doing studies as you will read - fascinating material - a must read for ANY bowhunter. Since I read it a while back now - I changed the way I thought and my gear....
Enjoy the read and let me know what you think...
Oh - BTW, I use a 44lb Recurve of my own making and a Diamond Iceman compound at about 55 lbs...
Theses are the 1st reports... read these THEN read the updates you will find going to forums / asby reports...
It really is worth it .... a learning experience....
Dr. Ashby, and the study that was conducted was interesting to say the least.It even was correct at some point in time prior to todays knowledge and understanding of arrow shafts and broadheads, which more tests and studies have been performed to also prove their points.
Dr. Ashby, preformed these tests and studies under near perfect hunting conditions, which is very hard to find in real life, he used a 80# compound and a 94# longbow not your average equipment for the average hunter, his longest shot was 16.97 yards,with most shots less, again not the usual hunting conditions.He also used alot of custom made shafts and broadheads,again not used by the average hunter.
Dr. Ashby, major claim to all of this is; heavier arrows travel at a slower rate, which also means; when they travel slow it takes a longer time to stop, he calls this a greater impulse of force. Then he dazzles us with all of the science and math practices to prove his allegations. I think it is a whole lot simplier than that; big, heavy, slow things will always travel slow, reason being, a force called friction, which he fails to discuss.He also compares these heavy shafts to what he calls a lighter arrow, which he never really explains at all.
Dr. Ashby, then goes on about broadheads. Again these test broadheads where never shot pass 17 yards, not to mention his comment that a well placed shot in a vital area will always result in a kill.The results were hard to believe, most if not all of the average three bladed design broadhead even the ones with replaceable blades were useless. Only three broadheads, of the single blade design were any good at all, one they do not make anymore and the other two are custom made. four, five and six blade designs were also useless so, where does that leave the average hunter.
So I said all of that to say this; many more tests have been done to prove the flip side of Dr. Ashby's old test results.These tests have been done in labs under very unusal tough conditions, and they have been tested in real life hunting conditions.Today's light weight small diameter carbon arrows which travel further and faster (which resists fricton easier) have a impact velocity much greater which results in greater forward progession which translates to deeper penetration and pass thru hits (which Dr. Ashby never states that happening with his heavier shaft) which means more kills and more blood trails and more game being recovered. We have all taken our block targets or our target of chioce and performed our own tests by shooting a heavy shaft and a carbon shaft into the targets to see which shaft and broadhead gets the best penetration, carbon wins hands down and the average hunter does not have to pull his compound at 80# and will shoot pass the 17 yard distance with the same great results. Dr. Ashby does not mention that his equipment would fail totally over the 17 yard distance that was used in his tests.Let me throw some more gas on the fire, how about the mechanical broahead, with grim reaper being the best of the rest,(interesting tests on their web-site) if I had to use a fixed blade broadhead it would be nap/razorcap, which is a one piece design.
If you read the updates you will see that he does more testing with lower poundage - 54lbs if I remember correctly, with the same results...much improved penetration. Im not saying its the gospel... but it is very interesting. BTW - as far as testing done under 'perfect conditions'... he talks about the fact that your going to make bad hits period because thats the real world. The idea behind his studies was to find out simply what penetrated best.
Just viewed all of the udates for Dr. Ashby reports.
He still is using a heavy wooden cedar arrow shaft... custom made.
He did increase his shooting yardage from 16.97 to 20 yards max.
Yes, he did a test at 54# but everything else was at 82#.
These updates seem to be more on different broadheads and their penetration which in turn had problems.
He did not compare todays equipment with his that was tested
Bottom line... if, you want to hunt with a longbow and heavy wooden shafts and extra heavy broadheads and shoot point blank... there is a chance at least of making a kill shot.
These reports by no means should be compared to todays modern archery equipment and kill abilities.
I'm not sure what you read but he uses carbon arrows and wood. One of the bigger topics was in fact improving carbon inserts so when the arrow hit heavy bone they didnt snap at insert...
It should be a short study and real easy to draw a concusion when comparing carbon and wooden shafts at any distance, for penetration and flight.Carbon arrows have pass thru shots, better blood trails and more recovered game, not to forget a practiced hunter can kill way past the 20 yard max range and at half the poundage that was used by Dr. Ashby. Carbon hands down.
About the insert breakage with carbon shafts; Axis (easton) shafts have H.I.T. which takes care of that problem and since other companies have copied and used such. I have killed game with these arrows and have smashed through heavy bone without any problems at all.
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