DEER HUNTING WITH DOGS

[WAHOONBOX]

WELL..WELCOME ABOARD BEAGLE WOMAN.....AND I AM GLAD THIS TOPIC HAS REMAINED SO NICE AND CIVIL...THE WAY IT SHOULD BE

DOESN'T MATTER IF TOPICS ARE FROM MAN OR WOMAN....THIS IS A SPORTSPERSONS SITE

AND THIS IS MY LAST WORD ON THIS.....NO DOG SHOULD BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE IT COULD POSSIBLY TURN UP MISSING......

DON'T CREATE THE SITUATUION FOR THIS TO HAPPEN AND ALL WILL BE WELL....THE STILL HUNTER ON HIS OWN LAND WILL BE HAPPY THAT DOGS DIDN'T RUIN HIS DAY AND THE DOG HUNTER WILL BE HAPPY AS WELL...

[beagleman]

BeagleWoman here. How about coon hunting? I enjoy hunting coon with my Walkers as much as enjoy hunting with my beagles.

[brandon558]

ive done both..and honestly much more prefer a nice evening in a deer stand rather then burning a tank of gass, flying through mud puddles,revvin them pipes and raising hell cause ya cant find the dogs. But thats just me.

I dissagree with many of the things most typical dog hunters do. As for example, plowing through our little 2 acre place that has the little yellow signs that read POSTED and not thinking twice. Driving through grandmas back yard cause you seen your mutt cut across, oh and strapping them damn 60lb doe's on your box and riding through town like ya done something Hope this dosnt hurt your feelings..but you asked. And maybe your club does it different then some of the guys around here.

Like i said ive done both...id rather sit in the stand.

Oh and please explain how its a fair chance for the deer when you hunt blocks and youve got 8 trucks on each road?

[austin ensor]

this in my deer dog lol

[Glenn W]

I too have dog hunted as well as still hunted deer. In my youth dog hunting was the way it was done in my parts--- plain and simple. Times change and still hunting has become more popular than it was 30 years ago.
I personally don't care for hunting deer with dogs any more, but in my view there is nothing wrong with the concept of dog hunting. I won't hold a holier than though attitude as to what is more "sporting" or enjoyable because I realize it is different strokes for different folks.
This being said I was involved in two extremes while dog hunting as a youngster. One club that I was not a member of but frequently invited as a guest was the way dog clubs should be--- well organized, no road running in trucks with CBs, no road hunting stands, and the club leased thousands and thousands of contiguous acres of land. The dogs were well taken care of year round, and shooting paths were maintained in the woods. All drives were organized with men driving the pack of dogs until a jump. Rarely, if ever did dogs wonder onto non hunting club land.
The other club in which I was a member for a couple years was the extreme opposite--- road hunters, it would kill most of them to get out of there trucks--- heaven forbid if someone were to suggest they walk into the woods, turn the hounds loose in a strategic spot and haul ass to head off the deer. It didn't matter too much whose land the dogs were on because all the hunting was done from the roads. This may sound ridiculous, but that was life in Eastern Virginia and Central NC in the early 1970's--- it was just the accepted way. Times change and such practices are no longer acceptable.
I would say that if the current responsible dog clubs don't police themselves better than they have been doing and condeming practices from 40 years ago, their sporting days are limited and state legislatation will not be too far away.
It's a hard road to hoe for the responsible dog hunters and unfortunatly they seem to be too few and far between. Landowners and leaseholders are not tolerating the accepted practices of slob dog hunters from a generation ago.
This being said, traditions die hard in the South and I expect the conflicts between dog hunters and still hunters will continue for several more years.
If I were a Southern legislator I would consider introducing legislation to the effect that if a deer or coon dog in captured on property that the dog does not belong on, the dog owner is required to pay a fee to the landowner/lessee based on the value of the dog (in effect, must buy his dog back with civil court authority). In this way, dog hunters could run their dogs where ever they want--- and if the dogs wonder onto unfriendly land there is a price to pay for the encroachment on another's property should the landowner/lessee desire compensation and/or act as a deterent to future infringements.
Hell ya that's fair--- its my GD land and I don't want you or your mutts on it disturbing the work I did to manage game on my property. One the other hand, hunt with your dogs till your heart's content and enjoy your season.

[cdail28590]

I agree with Glenn. I have hunted with good dog clubs that had plenty of land, had private roads, and didn't go other peoples property. I have land that is surrounded by the other side. The hunters that don't care as long as they can shoot a deer. It has even come to some serious threatening from the dog hunters to destroy property and for some reason the wildlife people don't do anything about it. I at one time enjoyed hearing the dogs run and I still do when done right but, for me I would just assume to outlaw dog hunting. To many bad dog hunters give the few good ones a bad name and if you have ever experienced the bad dog hunters you will never want to hear a dog run a deer again. They are the biggest A-holes around. While, it was brought up about reasons why some dogs don't come out of the woods. I always thought it was funny how some hunters would kill their dogs on the side of the road if they didn't run good but let someone else do it and they call the humane police. Just my 2 cents.

[Ace1st]

We do both and it works quite well. Although we do have in excess of twenty thousand acres on our club. Fortunately all our acreage is cut up in blocks surronded by roads. Seldom do dogs go off the lease before being caught. My grandfather started our club in 1946, we have dog hunted since day one. From his accounts, there were few deer in our area in the early years and dogs were needed to find and push deer out. We have always been a good neighbor to the community. I personally cannot remember ever having a complaint from any adjoining landowner in my 35 years of memory. Only recently, in the last 15 years has still hunting become popular. I enjoy it, but I enjoy dog hunting also. As our area continues to grow due to urban sprawl, I can see it becoming a problem in areas where developement is taking land by leaps and bounds. But all you haters that jump on the stop dogs bandwagon can expect those who you help out to stick it to you in the long run. Give them an inch and you can expect them to next stop your retrievers from being used to pick up birds, then no more pointers on your quail, and so on and so forth. Oh what do you know, why dont we just make them stop hunting all together since we pulled the wool over their eyes before, no still hunting no nothing!! We better learn to coexist together or you'll be putting the nail in your own coffin down the road. Well son, we used to hunt but I jumped on the wrong bandwagon and now we cant hunt at all. Wish I hadnt helped the anti hunter and gun crowds, now they done gone and stuck it to us too!!

[bigfish4me]

Here in Pennsylvania, it is completely legal to SHOOT any dogs running deer, now i have never done so because most of my hunting is archery from a tree stand in the burbs....but i do go upstate during rifle and have seen it. We kill coyotes upstate during deer season......its just a method we dont use up here.

[beagleman]

Well Beaglewoman here. I am still counting the days till the season opens, 65. I have lots of hate to respond to, where should i begin. First off I guess there a lot of renegades in yankee land. It sounds as if yall are in need of some squirrel Sheriffs up there. With all the outlaws breaking the law there they should be able to offer good salaries with all the fines they would collect.
Next, the 60lb does on the box. I hope that I get to see one of our members with a 60lb doe or buck. That will get them a fine from the club. the second time they are told to leave. don't come back. Further more it is illegal to have Public Display of your kill. This is the law here in SC. No Public display.
Next, when we have a hunt there is no hunting from the truck. This is yet again a law here in SC. Our standers have the responsablilty of collecting the mutts as they exit tract that was being hunted. I do understand that this does not always work as planned. It does help to kill the deer. Kill the deer, Stop the dogs. We do have a tracking system for our dogs. This gives us the ability to have constant knowledge of where our dogs are and which way they are going. Just to let the ones who like to kill dogs know, while they are wearing a tracking unit it is nearly impossible to cut the unit off. I haven't seen anything that will make them quit giving a signal, this includes water, being shot, being hit by a car and even run over by a train. I know that here in the great land of dixie that killing someones dog, any kind of dog, even your own dog is illegal. The exception being a dog killing or endangering your livestock, family, or pet. You can't just shoot a dog for tresspassing on your property and not expect some type of punishment. I have seen people paid nicely for shit-eaters that were shot in the manner described as the one who don't make it back to the truck.
Lastly, It is ashame that the non-hunters have the still hunters pitted against the dog hunters. Someone posted that other sports will also be next. YOu are so right. Babbit hunting, bird hunting, coon hunting all of these will be next. When dog hunting is outlawed you can be sure that I will be fighting to end the practice of baiting deer. I see no need for someone to be allowed shoot deer over bait. I am not pushing the idea now because I enjoy turning my 12-pak o beagles out on a large corn pile. This ensures one hell of a chase. I am getting excited now just thinking about it. When the tailgate drops, the bullshit stops.

65 days,
Beaglewoman

[Captain Michael Buffington]

Here in Pennsylvania, it is completely legal to SHOOT any dogs running deer, now i have never done so because most of my hunting is archery from a tree stand in the burbs....but i do go upstate during rifle and have seen it. We kill coyotes upstate during deer season......its just a method we dont use up here.

I have 1600 acres in Ms. and I manage the hell out of it. I have had it for ten years and have only taken 7 buck off of it. All of them were 130 to 150 class which are good deer in that area ofthe state. That being said I don't know how many dogs have walked on that property and never walked off. It absolutely burns my ass for some mangy flea infested mutt to come barking through one of my food plots or spook turkeys I'm working in. Only a couple were hunting dogs, most were just strays from the line of trailer houses that border the west side. It's a never ending battle. The first year you could not leave a deer overnight to track in daylight...It would be skin and bones the next day. If anyone wants to know the secret to getting rid of wild dogs and cayotes...Just pm me I have not heard a cayote in 6 years and several hundred mutts have met their maker near hot coffee, Ms. Only problem is I kill them and they just go get another one and let them run wild People should respect their pets and keep them confined in some way and not running wild disturbing the native wildlife. Moral to the rant is, if you like to run dogs, great...just don't do it near hot coffee, Ms or they may never run a deer again
Mike